Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

[Moksha]

1 hour ago, Shrek_Of_Justice said:

I have come to the realization... that the narrative of love and beauty and bliss 24/7 is nonsense ?.

Yeah... ? I feel like my own journey into spirituality was based on my desire to die. After all, the goal of spirituality is enlightenment, or, ego-death. And the ego is the self... But it was of course much too inappropriate and embarassing to actually say that I wanted to die so, well, there we go. It's actually really sad. How did life become such a sad mess? I don't even know.

It is insane that people spend the vast majority of their lives suffocating inside of their heads. Lucid living is rare, but it is absolutely possible. The love and beauty only deepen over time, until time itself dissolves.

Ego-death is different from person-death. Ego is not the person, but identification as the person. When you realize the absolute, the ego dissipates but the person remains. It is less substantial, needy, and complaining but it is still there, all the more precious for its obvious transience, and transparent enough for the absolute light within to shine through.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

It is insane that people spend the vast majority of their lives suffocating inside of their heads. Lucid living is rare, but it is absolutely possible. The love and beauty only deepen over time, until time itself dissolves.

Ego-death is different from person-death. Ego is not the person, but identification as the person. When you realize the absolute, the ego dissipates but the person remains. It is less substantial, needy, and complaining but it is still there, all the more precious for its obvious transience, and transparent enough for the absolute light within to shine through.

Was there a period in your life when it was difficult to stabilize this “lucid living” that you speak about? 

[Jwayne]

9 hours ago, Shrek_Of_Justice said:

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I have come to the realization... that the narrative of love and beauty and bliss 24/7 is nonsense ?.

Love, beauty and bliss are always there but we also have lives to live that demand our attention to be occupied with other tasks. The demand to be entertained or pleasured with "24/7 bliss" is pathological.

Instead, you should learn how to contact bliss so that you can be with it when you are not engaged with other more urgent, distracting worldly things. Obviously, bliss is also present in the worldly activity too but not in the form you were expecting, or have as yet learned to appreciate.

To appreciate the extraordinary in the ordinary is a wiser intention than to demand 24/7 pleasure from mystic-realization-experiences.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Jwayne

[GLORY]

12 hours ago, Shrek_Of_Justice said:

If a 100 people claim they are awake.

and Leo says none of them are, only he is.

What does that say about the people here?

Or about Leo?

No they can be awake
Or maybe even Awake
But they are not AWAKE™ 

Edited April 7, 2023 by GLORY

[Jwayne]

3 minutes ago, GLORY said:

No they can be awake
Or maybe even Awake
But they are not AWAKE™ 

Exactly, its a game of semantics. It is better not to engage in such silly ego contests, nor to fuel the egomania of the persons starting them.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Jwayne

[Water by the River]

1 hour ago, GLORY said:

No they can be awake
Or maybe even Awake
But they are not AWAKE™ 

 

wonderful

[Javfly33]

On 24/03/2023 at 9:02 AM, Breakingthewall said:

like being alone trapped in eternity with no way to escape. I'll keep digging, I think I almost have it, but still not completely, not consistently

I think that's a 'hint' right there. If you are feeling 'alone trapped in eternity 'there's a high possibility that the mind at that point is active and generating those type of thoughts.

 

[Shrek_Of_Justice]

6 hours ago, GLORY said:

No they can be awake
Or maybe even Awake
But they are not AWAKE™ 

Lolz. On point.

Y'all can consider me… SOUND ASLEEP!!!╰( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )つ──☆*:・ﾟ

[Moksha]

18 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Was there a period in your life when it was difficult to stabilize this “lucid living” that you speak about? 

Give it some time, most of my life wasn't even lucid 

After awakening, I began meditating and have found it to be enormously helpful in stabilizing lucidity. I have meditated every day since then (over 2 years now), except for the nadir of DNOS, where I disengaged from everything except the escape of the relative.

On the other side of darkness, the absolute has finally begun to realize stability.

The mind is a coin sent spinning on the table of life, something like this:

• Before beginning, it is still in the hand of the absolute
• The absolute puts it in motion
• The mind is entirely self-engaged as it travels across the table
• Eventually, it begins to settle in one place
• High wobbling as it comes to term with not traveling
• Gradually less wobbling, and faster oscillations
• Harmony as it merges with the surface of being
• Snatched back by the hand that gave it life

[lostingenosmaze]

I just found this while scrolling through Leo's YouTube comments, just 10 months ago, my how times have changed:

 

[Shrek_Of_Justice]

6 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

I just found this while scrolling through Leo's YouTube comments, just 10 months ago, my how times have changed:

Haha. Well this gives me hope. I guess 5-MeO does something with a man's humility ?

[Yimpa]

@Moksha I notice that you mention lucid living a lot. I was wondering, do you practice lucid dreaming (where you become lucid in your dreams while you’re sleeping)?

[Moksha]

@Yimpa To me, life itself is a lucid dream. Sometimes there are dreams within the dream, and they also are lucid insights of the absolute. It seems to happen naturally in the harmonizing of the conscious and subconscious mind. Lucidity is experiencing the dream through a unified mind.

I read words like these and am aware of how they sound on the surface. There is no guru and no teaching outside of your true nature. Look beyond them within yourself and you will see where they point. ?⚡

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

 Look beyond them within yourself and you will see where they point. ?⚡

 

[Gnosis]

On 3/24/2023 at 2:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned. This is way more tricky than you ever imagined. My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

Isn't the issue here that you yourself do not understand or know how to articulate what you've realized? That's the only reason to make all these assertions via negativa.

Whether or not the statement itself is true is irrelevant to my point, because the only possible function of such a statement is to declare that the reader is wrong. What good is such a statement beyond this?

Granted, maybe precisely what people need is to just have the simple cognitive power to understand that they're mistaken, but fundamentally you haven't communicated whatever it is you wanted to. This whole statement is like second-rate wine that's only served when the first-rate wine is on too tall of a shelf to reach.

[Yimpa]

On 3/24/2023 at 3:02 AM, Breakingthewall said:

So what is the obstacle? I have been very close with 5 meo and my baseline is completely different than it was, I have reactivations almost every day, I have gone infinite 4 times, totally. but other times I have had horrible experiences, like being alone trapped in eternity with no way to escape. I'll keep digging, I think I almost have it, but still not completely, not consistently

Consciousness is not some peak state you reach and need to maintain.

God isn’t somewhere else saying, “Hey, you! Yeah… you! Here I am. Come to me if you want to understand YOU!”

 

[Yimpa]

42 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Lol, yeah he is!  

No.

42 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

 He's not gonna come to you...

Correct.

[Yimpa]

12 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

You're absorbed somewhere he isn't, hiding from him.

Nah, not really. I’m just finding a nice, big broom to hit you with 

[Breakingthewall]

The thing is not about maximum states but about the dissolution of the illusion, but there are several barriers to this, one of them is horror of existence, another is the absolute emptiness. both are ultimately illusions. when the illusion is broken you see through it. it is possible to see through it all the time, it is not a peak state, it is reality, therefore it is possible

[Yimpa]

@Breakingthewall please define, in your own words, what an illusion is.