Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

[Moksha]

People circle the same glittering diamond at the center of reality, in closer orbits until they finally dissolve into it. Each journey of the absolute is unique, and realizing itself is not restricted to any particular path (not even 5-Me0).

When the absolute awakens within a form, it dissolves the demons of the mind. Not only is there freedom from suffering, but the brilliance of being effortlessly flows through you. It is an infinite source that floods you with light and dissolves all boundaries. It is the expression of absolute unconditional seamless love.

All words, until you sink into the absolute within and beyond them.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Moksha

[puporing]

5 hours ago, Moksha said:

People circle the same glittering diamond at the center of reality, in closer orbits until they finally dissolve into it. Each journey of the absolute is unique, and realizing itself is not restricted to any particular path (not even 5-Me0).

When the absolute awakens within a form, it dissolves the demons of the mind. Not only is there freedom from suffering, but the brilliance of being effortlessly flows through you. It is an infinite source that floods you with light and dissolves all boundaries. It is the expression of absolute unconditional seamless love.

All words, until you sink into the absolute within and beyond them.

though I disagree about the suffering.. it's less for sure when I'm alone and with others "alike", but more if I allow myself to get dragged into things.

Edited April 5, 2023 by puporing

[This]

On 3/24/2023 at 8:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned. This is way more tricky than you ever imagined. My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

I just woke up and now i'm awake. It's ~5 AM which is maybe a bit too early in the morning, but i've got more time to relax and drink a few cups of coffee before going to work. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by This

[Jwayne]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I assume you have a level of spiritual advancement when I speak with you.  If you are a specialist in a certain field and you are having a dialogue with someone and speaking in certain lingo, then it may seem foreign to someone outside of the conversation listening in.  Like, for example, if you are talking about computers to your fellow geek.  Your mom probably won't understand a word you are saying.  So I am assuming you have listened to the videos and have a clue of what I am talking about.  Most who have bothered to create an account on the forum have taken some time to study the work.   So yes, I speak In a very specialized way about Spirituality.  But really, you can replace certain words with other words and they would still mean the same thing.  There is still a very general thing that is being pointed to, regardless of the verbage.

As to your ideas regarding proper contribution, God can't be proven, so that's out.  Don't expect that.

I'm here for a broader conversation than a commentary on Leo Gura's ideas. I don't find the Spiral Dynamics model to be impressive, it's rather reductive, childish and regressive in terms of not being rigorous and almost anti-academic in its foundations. Another one that's popular online is David Hawkins map of consciousness. I don't find that to be very insightful either.

What I do like is meeting people, especially those that are metaphysically-inclined and seeing how they've lived and applied this in their life. The written musings here about psychadelic trips, "god-realizations" and hierarchies of which state is 'higher' are not that interesting. I'd rather learn about the people themselves and make friends that way.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Jwayne

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, GLORY said:

How is it like to be omniscient? Can you change physical laws or read minds? You know EVERYTHING?

It's Heaven.

There is no need to change anything in Heaven because it's perfect.

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Why dont you do a better example then, an amechanical one

Why don't you contemplate your own examples. This isn't rocket science.

What is understanding?

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But understanding (to get through a forum) requires memory which you say is imaginary

Understanding does not require memory.

11 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Apologies for the confusion.

What I meant is that I understood what you were saying.

But at the same time, I don't see what is there to understand about reality as a whole.

Understanding things is a noble pursuit and I would love to realise that you can understand reality as a whole. At this point I can only understand finite things and it's a great source of joy for me. 

For me Understanding whole of reality is a lesser complicated phenomenon than understanding a doorknob or a tree. Precisely because it's amechanical. 

You don't know what you're talking about.

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I am saying that understanding reality is trivial and not something profound.

NO!

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You should make a video on comprehension. 

You should contemplate the nature of understanding/comprehension.

I am not going to solve this problem for you. I am not going to spoon-feed you. You are being mentally lazy.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

Lmao, this thread is pure gold. 

I am not AWAKE as I type this comment, but Leo is absolutely AWAKE. I experienced what he’s pointing to. He’s not bullshitting anyone here.

[Jwayne]

3 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Lmao, this thread is pure gold. 

I am not AWAKE as I type this comment, but Leo is absolutely AWAKE. I experienced what he’s pointing to. He’s not bullshitting anyone here.

It's good when Leo is harsh with people, and when people respond honestly with the best that they can. This is how to move things forward: I empty my mind, and you empty your mind. And out of that confrontation we get to a new place.

[Yimpa]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's Heaven.

There is no need to change anything in Heaven because it's perfect.

For sure. When I had my mystical experience yesterday I was sitting in my kitchen minding my own business.

It wasn’t planned; not forced. I was just going about my day.

It’s as PURE as pure gets. 

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Lmao, this thread is pure gold. 

I am not AWAKE as I type this comment, but Leo is absolutely AWAKE. I experienced what he’s pointing to. He’s not bullshitting anyone here.

Don't suck my ass. Think independently. You don't know if what I'm telling you is true.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[GLORY]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Understanding does not require memory.

I cant think of an example where understanding does not require whats is called memory or thinking process
For example if a person smiles, you understand that he is happy(in most cases). why? because of memory
 

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This isn't rocket science.
You should contemplate the nature of understanding/comprehension.

Making Interconnection that mousemovement relates to cursormovement: Is this the understanding you talking about?
You seem talking about an other sort of understanding, otherwise I would understand what you mean and be AWAKE™ 

[This]

Btw, i too am the only one who is awake here.

[Jwayne]

3 minutes ago, GLORY said:

I cant think of an example where understanding does not require whats is called memory or thinking process
For example if a person smiles, you understand that he is happy(in most cases). why? because of memory

I would answer in the following way. When you learn something, it becomes embodied as part of your instinct. So you don't need to consciously call upon your memory (of the verbal understanding) with your conscious awareness. It's like muscle memory, it happens faster than your volitional thinking.

[Yimpa]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't suck my ass. Think independently. You don't know if what I'm telling you is true.

Thank you for clarifying. I’m still shedding the whole nonduality look-up-to-the-master deal. I’m glad you don’t approve of that behavior. 

 

[BipolarGrowth]

Just now, Yimpa said:

Thank you for clarifying. I’m still shedding the whole nonduality look-up-to-the-master deal. I’m glad you don’t approve of that behavior. 

 

He said to stop sucking, not to suck harder! ??

[Yimpa]

4 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

He said to stop sucking, not to suck harder! ??

Undoing 14 years of religious upbringing and 10 years of nonduality isn’t going to happen overnight 

[Leo Gura]

@Yimpa I Love You.

[Leo Gura]

I Love everyone here. But if you fuck with me you are getting banned.

[funcool]

@Leo Gura So is a childs comprehension of a doorknob based off its understanding of the door knob in relation to its body and or POV? Like the child is collapsing all the variables into the most obvious answer for the subject which would be "hand on knob, then turn and go through door"? Would that be similar to holistic thinking? Or is the comprehension you are describing something entirely different?

Edited April 5, 2023 by funcool

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, funcool said:

@Leo Gura So is a childs comprehension of a doorknob based off its understanding of the door knob in relation to its body and or POV? Like the child is collapsing all the variables into the most obvious answer for the subject? Would that be similar to holistic thinking? Or is the comprehension you are describing something entirely different?

Comprehension is something very primordial. Don't mix it up with language or human stuff.

Consider this: There was a distinct moment in your life when you comprehended that you exist. This was the most profound sort of thing.

Likewise, there will be a distinct moment in your life when you comprehend that you are the only thing that exists because you are GOD.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Why don't you contemplate your own examples. This isn't rocket science.

What is understanding?

Is there even an amechanical example?

Amechanical = Pure perception.

[Pure perception means that it's amechanical and nothing below the surface powering it. What you see/experience is all.]

You can validate/invalidate these statement for me.

1. Reality is nothing but distinctions.

2. You can comprehend the nature distinction.

3. Therefore you have comprehended reality.

You have to admit that this is comprehending reality with completeness atleast at some level.

Instead of merely repeating

"I am aware and you are asleep"

try to point out the flaw in the logic if what I am saying.

Am I incomplete in my understanding? Is there something to reality more than distinctions?

Atleast say things like "you can't express this with language".

We are asking you because we have mostly exhausted the methods we have at our disposal, at least that is my case. I would even talk about this on the fourm if I had access to psychedelics. 

Most of the time you give explicit answers. That's your style of teaching. So when you fail to give explicit answers, people naturally assume it's because you don't know it. If you could give an explicit answer you would have given it already.