Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

[Thought Art]

“Oh God will I look at you now

oh you lost it but you don’t know how 

In the light of a golden calf

oh God I had to laugh!

Take the poison of your age 

Don’t lick your fingers when turn the page 

It was wrong but you said it was right

in the future I will read at night”

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Thought Art

[Jowblob]

@Leo Gura  have you ever experienced or felt an energy lock above your head after ego death for example? I remember something like a field above my head, and it felt like it was locking my consciousness to lower levels/stable reality. It felt unpleasant because i had this lock, also the first time i felt it a thought instantly appeared saying it was my lock

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, vladorion said:

Any position you cling to is dogma.

The dogma of actualized.org are positions like "I am God", "Consciousness is the ultimate reality", "Understanding is the most important thing", "You can understand ultimate reality", "Without psychedelics you can't attain deep realizations", "I (Leo) am the most awake person on the planet" etc. It's full of dogma.

Damn looks like you left the room not me.   You are too close minded for this forum. Thinking for yourself is good- but when you say that Consciousness is not reality or thar you aren't God, or that Understanding isn't paramount...Well, in your own words, you're just plain wrong.  Don't let the door hit you on your way out 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Gesundheit2]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Damn looks like you left the room not me.   You are too close minded for this forum. Thinking for yourself is good- but when you say that Consciousness is not reality or thar you aren't God, or that Understanding isn't paramount...Well, in your own words, you're just plain wrong.  Don't let the door hit you on your way out 

He's not completely wrong though. The problem is that he's stuck at the construct-aware stage. He makes a valid point, but only from that stage's point of view. But Leo is way past that. Leo understands what he's saying, but he's not limited to it.

You, on the other hand, are not construct-aware at all. So, while on the surface, it might seem like you and Leo share the same overall perspective, Leo has a lot more nuance. His perspective includes and transcends your perspective, literally, and so to speak. If you want to improve in this area, you should study relativity and improve your understanding of how language works. Basically, you need to become familiar with post-modernism.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Gesundheit2

[Gesundheit2]

15 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

@SOULYou don't wake up to it, you wake up from it.

There are things that you can wake up from (wrong information), and things that you can wake up to (correct information).

And there's a shuffle that happens with time, such that you'll wake up from things you woke up to earlier (transcendence), and wake up to things you woke up from earlier (nuance).

Edited March 29, 2023 by Gesundheit2

[OldManCorcoran]

26 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

He's not completely wrong though. The problem is that he's stuck at the construct-aware stage. He makes a valid point, but only from that stage's point of view. But Leo is way past that. Leo understands what he's saying, but he's not limited to it.

You, on the other hand, are not construct-aware at all. So, while on the surface, it might seem like you and Leo share the same overall perspective, Leo has a lot more nuance. His perspective includes and transcends your perspective, literally, and so to speak. If you want to improve in this area, you should study relativity and improve your understanding of how language works. Basically, you need to become familiar with post-modernism.

It is true that the mentally handicapped and the ascended master may be of the same belief. Because in many ways things end up going full circle.

Materialism is so backwards, that the truth is the absolute total opposite. Totally inverted. And when you invert something completely upside down, nothing actually changes about the shape of the thing. It's just seen from a different angle.

[Israfil]

I watched two videos from Leo yesterday. One was based on the framework for knowledge and the other one was the reasoning behind the deletion of the solipsism video. I had an insight that synthesized a few points from both of them, that to know what spirituality and god are, you have to deeply inquire about your own beliefs and perspectives. To do so effectively is useful to listen to Actualized.org, read philosophy, or study spirituality, but as soon as you got those resources together, you have to shed the bool sheet from them and directly know god and reality through your own experiences. That's why he keeps saying no one is awakened. We are stuck in plenty of cultural, intellectual, logical, and linguistic concepts of awakening and spirituality, name-calling god instead of experiencing it. 

[Gesundheit2]

7 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

The countless things to wake up to and the countless degrees to wake up to them, have no existence outside of the dream, they exist wholly within it. 

Like you woke up to it, that it is a dream, is something that you can wake up from, if you wish.

[Moksha]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Anything you think with your logical mind is dogma. the articulate mind must be silent, but more than silent, free.  reality is realized beyond the conceptual mind, with the unlimited mind. the unlimited mind is parceled out by the logical mind, they really are the same since there is only one mind. conceptual activity constricts the mind. when you say that it cannot be understood with the human mind, you mean the castrated mind. your mind can understand everything, because it is the only mind. the work is to free this mind from human chains

I entirely agree. Whatever breaks the chains of your conditioned mind will set you free. I don't care if it's 5-Me0, meditation, or suffering. Choose whatever boat is most reliable in crossing the river to the other shore, which is direct realization of the absolute within.

If you find yourself constantly rowing on the surface of imagination without reprieve, try another boat. Once you are across, release the boat back into the river, and thrive in the lucidity of being.

[How to be wise]

I think a warning would have sufficed.

[Yimpa]

21 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

I think a warning would have sufficed.

Leo has given plenty of warnings.

I can understand why people will argue, though. They clearly haven’t had any deep awakenings, so they can only communicate from an ignorant place. 

A deep mystical experience will humble you, if you choose to embrace it. That’ll suffice to begin to take this work seriously. 

[Wilhelm44]

I respect Leo's work. Claiming to be the most awake person on the planet however is something i have heard Bentinho say too. Somehow the older guys like Adyashanti or Sadguru never made these claims. Something to ponder.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Wilhelm44

[Yimpa]

9 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I respect Leo's work. Claiming to be the most awake person on the planet however is something i have heard Bentinho say too. Somehow the older guys like Adyashanti or Sadguru never made these claims. Something to ponder.

 

On 3/26/2023 at 9:42 PM, Leo Gura said:

That is the ultimate trap.

Let's see if you are clever enough to escape it.

 

[LSD-Rumi]

Oh god, I cannot handle seeing more notifications for this thread. Pls someone lock this thread before I lose my mind 

Edited March 29, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Gesundheit2 said:

He's not completely wrong though. The problem is that he's stuck at the construct-aware stage. He makes a valid point, but only from that stage's point of view. But Leo is way past that. Leo understands what he's saying, but he's not limited to it.

You, on the other hand, are not construct-aware at all. So, while on the surface, it might seem like you and Leo share the same overall perspective, Leo has a lot more nuance. His perspective includes and transcends your perspective, literally, and so to speak. If you want to improve in this area, you should study relativity and improve your understanding of how language works. Basically, you need to become familiar with post-modernism.

More BS.  Maybe you're just stuck In a Leo worship stage.  Regardless - What do stages of ego development have to do with God realization?  Not a ton.  

Edited March 29, 2023 by Inliytened1

[How to be wise]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

Leo has given plenty of warnings.

I can understand why people will argue, though. They clearly haven’t had any deep awakenings, so they can only communicate from an ignorant place. 

A deep mystical experience will humble you, if you choose to embrace it. That’ll suffice to begin to take this work seriously. 

Different people have different ideas about awakening. If they’re not allowed to express their unique views on it, what exactly is this forum for?

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Squeekytoy said:

Doesn't sound very humble there mate 

There’s a time and place to be humble, and a time to be serious as fuck. 

15 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Different people have different ideas about awakening. If they’re not allowed to express their unique views on it, what exactly is this forum for?

Go to a different forum then. Nobody is handcuffing you here.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Moksha said:

If you find yourself constantly rowing on the surface of imagination without reprieve, try another boat. Once you are across, release the boat back into the river, and thrive in the lucidity of being.

Imo you are simplifying a very difficult and tricky (copying the word of the king) problem: being human. Human is trauma. If you want to "heal" the trauma you have to heal the fact of being human. It's not so simple like change your perspective.

in spirituality they sell us that everything is simpler than it seems when it is much more complicated than it seems. you keep removing layers, and you keep finding fragmentation. It's not doing 5 meo , realizing something, and that's it. You have to solve the enigma that it means to be human. the original sin of the human, the enigma that is proposed to us: the lack of unity, or what is the same, the lack of love. You have to be an artist to get to the bottom of this, I'm not saying you're not, but humans are born with a default ability: fooling ourselves. that is our essence, the lie

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Gesundheit2]

22 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Well, then meditation doesn’t increase baseline state either. If you stop practicing for a year then… you’ll lose your gains. 

Baseline state is increased by a combination of practices, tools, and habits used on a regular basis. No single technique will increase baseline state. 

In my experience, meditation does raise baseline level of consciousness. And the gains don't go away if you stop meditating, at least not as quickly as you might think. It's similar to learning how to drive, once you have the skill, you won't likely forget it. But if you stop driving, you might lose some of your drifting skills and become more of a basic driver.

But it depends on how long you've meditated, the longer you've meditated, the deeper the effect. If you meditate for one week, you probably won't gain much to stay around for long in the first place, and you'll likely lose this minor gain, anyway.

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

More BS.  Maybe you're just stuck In a Leo worship stage.  Regardless - What do stages of ego development have to do with God realization?  Not a ton.  

It's not BS. Just open up your mind to the possibility that I might have a point instead of dismissing everything that I say. It's not my claim even. Watch the series made by Leo, or read the original research paper if you think I don't have any credibility.

About the worshipping thing, I don't dismiss a constructive feedback if there is any. If you think I'm worshipping Leo, please explain why you think so, and if you make at least one solid point, then I'll look into it.

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

 

 

What exactly is the ultimate trap he was referring to ?