Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

[Moksha]

@Squeekytoy It's not contradictory when you consider that the will of god (if you choose to call it that) determines the origin and interaction of every phenomenon. It creates the machine, and its hand sends the ball spinning through every phenomenal encounter, predetermining the trajectory of its course.

It is absolute choice, not personal. Everything personal is ultimately unreal.

[Yimpa]

23 minutes ago, Moksha said:

@Squeekytoy It's not contradictory when you consider that the will of god (if you choose to call it that) determines the origin and interaction of every phenomenon. It creates the machine, and its hand sends the ball spinning through every phenomenal encounter, predetermining the trajectory of its course.

It is absolute choice, not personal. Everything personal is ultimately unreal.

Thank you for the pointers and your guidance. Earlier today I was crying… it felt like all the pain that was inside me was flowing out like a river. 

It’s amazing how freeing it is when personal control is surrendered - even just a little. I feel more in touch with my emotions; the judgements of my present experience are quieting down. 

[Moksha]

@Squeekytoy Names are so self-ensnaring  As I see it, the mystery of absolute reality spins maya out of the void, creating the original duality, but still being beyond both. Like making cotton candy at the fair.

@Yimpa ?The spiritual journey is about letting go of judgment and the need for control. Internal boundaries dissolve as the mind unifies. When you realize space by distancing your attention from your thoughts, the sharks swimming in the murky depths of the unconscious spontaneously rise to the surface and release their pain. It is serene harmonization, and it continues spreading outward to dissolve apparent boundaries separating you from others. It is only words, until it actually happens and is directly realized. You see your absolute nature, which is the seamless essence of everything (i.e., love).

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The only creature on this entire planet who is AWAKE. Is me.

No one else.

I shit you not.

Be very careful. You don't understand how deep this thing goes. It goes completely beyond any human comprehension.

Enlightenment is imaginary.

Every "enlightened" human on this planet is fooling themselves very deeply.

GOD is completely beyond all that.

This is not Leo speaking to you.

This is GOD, speaking through the Leo avatar.

I can only get through to you as much as you will allow me.

So be very careful about how you handle your mind.

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

10 hours ago, Water by the River said:

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Thinking carefully in this statement, contrasting it with my latest discoveries about what understanding is, i achieve the conclusion that it's probably true. Nobody understands what being human means, what the reality is, how deep it goes. I understand a bit, but not totally, I'm not totally open to what reality is, very far, but i am partially open, and i could say without doubt that it is deep and tricky. Seems that Leo really understand it. And nobody else does, it's quite sure. People simplifies, they can't understand the whole. I think i could ?.  

Awakening is not just become infinite in any moment. That's just the first step. Then the real work starts. The work of decipher the maze, of understanding, of open the reality. I am in the 0,001% in the game, that's not small. The game requires that you give your all, and even doing that, it's extremely difficult. Let's play. 

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[SunnyCyn]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Squeekytoy Don't you dare think for one minute that you understand what AWAKE is.

I see through all your games.

You are fooling yourself. As is everyone in this thread.

There is no argument you can make, no critique you can make, of what I told you. I am absolutely correct, and you are wrong.

But again, you are too arrogant and your mind is too closed.

I have warned you guys over and over again about openmindedness. You are not openedminded enough to comprehend what I teach and the guidance I offer.

You refuse God's guidance. How can I help you? What more can I say?

Suffering in severe agony needs to crack their hearts open for their minds to open. They don't want it bad enough! They are covered in 1,000,000,000 layers of fakery and fiction!

[Gesundheit2]

I think this is one of the problems with unearned wisdom. Science and religion create a similar effect.

When you have everything explained and spoonfed to you without much work on your part, and then if you repeat it enough times it will start making sense to you even if you don't actually understand it, then you will think you actually understand it, and you will get all cocky and arrogant and think that you've reached the end of knowledge.

Dunning-Kruger effect in practice. Unearned wisdom gets people drunk/high on their ignorance, and it keeps them stuck in there forever.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Gesundheit2

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Vibes said:

I believe you. 

That is the ultimate trap.

Let's see if you are clever enough to escape it.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, StarStruck said:

 

If you include Buddhism in there, it would be perfect.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, aurum said:

That’s true. But I’m pretty sure a marble being played with by a physical alien is not literally what Leo is referring to. Men In Black is obviously a movie. It’s not going to be equivalent to whatever Leo is talking about.

You can argue that Alien Consciousness must be irrelevant because it must be preceded by Presence, but I don’t think Leo is overlooking this point. I’m going to give him more credit than that. That would be a very newbie mistake to make.

Correct.

When consciousness reaches levels beyond human -- way beyond nonduality, Buddhism, and even most psychedelic trips -- it transforms into alien forms of consciousness and intelligence. All human spirituality is just that -- human. It is not the same as an advanced alien mind.

Surely you understand that there exist aliens in the universe with brains 100x larger and smarter than yours. The most enlightened human is like an ant next to that level of consciousness. Now ask yourself, how would it feel to stop being human and become that alien? What would that kind of intelligence/mind feel like? Well, what I am telling you is that I know, because I have directly become it. And I can tell you that it turns all human spiritual understanding to shame. No human on this planet is that conscious. I cannot maintain such a level of consciousness for long, but at least I know that it exists and what it is like. It is utterly radical and nonhuman.

That's a lot closer to the kind of intelligence that designed reality. Human intelligence is incapable to comprending reality's design. Your genetics and brain are too limited. Even if you were born very spiritually gifted.

Remember, humans are just ants in the grand scheme of thing. The only reason humans act like the ultimate is because no one is around to put us to shame. Human intelligence is infinitesimally small.

Imagine what it's like to be an ant relative to a human. Then imagine what it would be like to be an advanced alien relative to a human. Your mind would be so advanced you would experience reality in a completely new way.

This goes way beyond merely not having ego. Ego and egolessness are just a small part of your consciousness and your life. Even if you lose all ego, your experience of reality will still be extremely limited and basic. Your understanding will still be very low.

Ego loss and presence is not what this work is truly about. That is a minor matter in the end. There are much larger issues at stake.

You cannot comprehend GOD merely by losing your ego or being very present. This is the core mistake of Buddhism. They confuse such things with CONSCIOUSNESS. But those are very narrow aspects of CONSCIOUSNESS.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Leo Gura

[vindicated erudite]

On 24/03/2023 at 6:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned. This is way more tricky than you ever imagined. My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

What have you done to breakthrough to this level of awakening? 

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura You sound like an asshole in your other comments. But this makes a lot of sense^^^

[PurpleTree]

Alright this is fine

[tuku747]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Surely you understand that there exist aliens in the universe with brains 100x larger and smarter than yours. The most enlightened human is like an ant next to that level of consciousness. Now ask yourself, how would it feel to stop being human and become that alien? What would that kind of intelligence/mind feel like? Well, what I am telling you is that I know, because I have directly become it. And I can tell you that it turns all human spiritual understanding to shame. No human on this planet is that conscious. I cannot maintain such a level of consciousness for long, but at least I know that it exists and what it is like. It is utterly radical and nonhuman.

You cannot comprehend GOD merely by losing your ego or being very present. This is the core mistake of Buddhism. They confuse such things with CONSCIOUSNESS. But those are very narrow aspects of CONSCIOUSNESS.

Meanwhile, in Nirvana...

Edited March 27, 2023 by tuku747

[PeaceOut96]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Correct.

When consciousness reaches levels beyond human -- way beyond nonduality, Buddhism, and even most psychedelic trips -- it transforms into alien forms of consciousness and intelligence. All human spirituality is just that -- human. It is not the same as an advanced alien mind.

Surely you understand that there exist aliens in the universe with brains 100x larger and smarter than yours. The most enlightened human is like an ant next to that level of consciousness. Now ask yourself, how would it feel to stop being human and become that alien? What would that kind of intelligence/mind feel like? Well, what I am telling you is that I know, because I have directly become it. And I can tell you that it turns all human spiritual understanding to shame. No human on this planet is that conscious. I cannot maintain such a level of consciousness for long, but at least I know that it exists and what it is like. It is utterly radical and nonhuman.

That's a lot closer to the kind of intelligence that designed reality. Human intelligence is incapable to comprending reality's design. Your genetics and brain are too limited. Even if you were born very spiritually gifted.

Remember, humans are just ants in the grand scheme of thing. The only reason humans act like the ultimate is because no one is around to put us to shame. Human intelligence is infinitesimally small.

Imagine what it's like to be an ant relative to a human. Then imagine what it would be like to be an advanced alien relative to a human. Your mind would be so advanced you would experience reality in a completely new way.

This goes way beyond merely not having ego. Ego and egolessness are just a small part of your consciousness and your life. Even if you lose all ego, your experience of reality will still be extremely limited and basic. Your understanding will still be very low.

Ego loss and presence is not what this work is truly about. That is a minor matter in the end. There are much larger issues at stake.

You cannot comprehend GOD merely by losing your ego or being very present. This is the core mistake of Buddhism. They confuse such things with CONSCIOUSNESS. But those are very narrow aspects of CONSCIOUSNESS.

I have 2 things to say. 

The first is that's incredible. It sounds beyond anything that human consciousness has to offer. If its possible to enter these states than I can't imagine the worth it has. 

But, but, but the second thing is Leo. We are here now. Limited, to experience what this "world" has to offer both conventionally and spiritually. Relativly an awaken human being is the only one who can even slightly comprehend what you're on about, if they of course are openminded enough, and not endulged in spiritual closed mindedness. I still see the enormous value of human spirituality.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, PeaceOut96 said:

I still see the enormous value of human spirituality.

It's certainly better than materialism.

But my job is to push mankind to a deeper level of understanding.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Leo Gura

[PeaceOut96]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's certainly better than materialism.

But my job is to push mankind to a deeper level of understanding.

And for that I appreciate your work, and I see nothing but so much intelligence behind your every move. 

The current level of human spirituality is definitely not at the pinnacle. It is a shame that so many awaken beings here don't see through your persona and see what you are pointing at. I get it don't blindly believe, but we are passed that if you have done the work. The only one you should be worry of is your own mind. 

Edited March 27, 2023 by PeaceOut96

[aurum]

59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What would that kind of intelligence/mind feel like? Well, what I am telling you is that I know, because I have directly become it. And I can tell you that it turns all human spiritual understanding to shame. No human on this planet is that conscious. I cannot maintain such a level of consciousness for long, but at least I know that it exists and what it is like. It is utterly radical and nonhuman.

How does this relate to Omniscience?

You distinguish Omniscience from Alien Consciousness. Yet it seems like you hold them both as the pinnacle of awakening.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a lot closer to the kind of intelligence that designed reality. Human intelligence is incapable to comprending reality's design. Your genetics and brain are too limited. Even if you were born very spiritually gifted.

It would seem to follow that even mega doses of psychedelics may not be enough to comprehend reality at the level. We may just be limited by our own brains. Although you were able to do it for a short time, so it’s at least possible.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, aurum said:

How does this relate to Omniscience?

You distinguish Omniscience from Alien Consciousness. Yet it seems like you hold them both as the pinnacle of awakening.

Alien Consciousness has touches of Omniscience to it. The more conscious you become the closer to Omniscience you get.

A human can seem omniscient from the POV of an ant.

9 minutes ago, aurum said:

It would seem to follow that even mega doses of psychedelics may not be enough to comprehend reality at the level. We may just be limited by our own brains. Although you were able to do it for a short time, so it’s at least possible.

Psychedelics can take you very far if you use them properly. Which is what my new course will teach people how to do.

But yes, we are all limited by our genetics in the end. How could it be otherwise?

Still, you have not nearly tapped the full potential of what your genetics allow.

[tuku747]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics can take you very far if you use them properly. Which is what my new course will teach people how to do.

Are you gonna teach us how to plug our butts???

[seriousman24]

Where does bashar fit in all of this?