On killing animals for meat and other products

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm sure it's possible. But not without super-human levels of hardcore training.

I don't see anyone here who's serious enough to achieve it. But maybe a handful might.

It is not the same thing as Awakening. But it might be a worthwhile pursuit. I cannot say because I have not seriously pursued it. At least yet. Maybe in the future I will. But for now I have higher priorities.

I was just always drawn to and excited by stories like this. So I am wondering if I should set it as a long term goal for myself.

Ok, thanks you for advise 

[Vibes]

1 minute ago, Vasu Jaggi said:

good counter argument master but give it to normal people.

stab me while I'm asleep  and I'm pretty sure I'll die with a smile ,forgiving you and in aww of this mysterious infinite genius existence.

 

What the hell is wrong with you guys in this forum?

Seems like you never suffered or experienced strong pain in your life. You live in a fantasy while minimizing pain, so you can feel safe.

You won't forgive your killer, you will be in despair and misery. You will forget your awakenings, you will suffer like anyone else.

[How to be wise]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will stab you in the skull with my dinner fork. Then let's talk.

See above x2.

Of course you have to use fear to distract us from the truth. No other emotion can do it.

[Vasu Jaggi]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But not without super-human levels of hardcore training

i guess i got lucky on that one. 

[Vasu Jaggi]

3 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Of course you have to use fear to distract us from the truth. No other emotion can do it.

ohhhhhhhh!

btw your bryon katie quote is so profound 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Vasu Jaggi

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Of course you have to use fear to distract us from the truth. No other emotion can do it.

What you fear is pain.

[An young being]

2 minutes ago, Tanz said:

@Swarnim Animals killed in the name of science is tremendous, too in regards to medicine is concerned.  In some cases life-saving for humans, in other cases, it's used to give a man a boner.  

Even if you become a vegan you can not escape this unless you decide not to take any medicine at all and completely live off the land to lower your foot print.  

Agreed that nobody can be a complete vegan or even vegetarian for that matter, but choosing to murder two people instead of one is always better, and murdering a guy to save your own life is better than murdering a guy to steal his fortunes, although all of them are technically bad. Nobody can decide what is right or wrong, what is justifiable and what is not, what is a need and what is a desire, but if your conscience tells that you are doing something bad, don't do it. Don't try to justify doing it by comparing with something or somebody else. If your heart feels that it is wrong, then it's wrong for you. If your mind does the 'wrong' thing, you will regret it later.  ( I am not even talking about reincarnations, I am talking about this life).My heart says that I don't have to eat non vegetarian food, because there are many healthy and tasty alternatives available, so I don't eat it. I never try to convince others to be like me ( all my family members eat non veg), but if you choose to go in the direction of being a vegetarian or atleast reduce the consumption, I strongly encourage it.

[axiom]

A funny thing can happen with very strong determination sitting over a period of days or weeks. 

I am not sure how rare it is, but at some point the pain is seen as just another thing happening, the mind realises that in spite of the pain it is completely safe and untouched, and physical discomfort does not fade away but loses all of its significance.

This was, on the face of it, something that happened to me at some point in the story of "my life", before I realised it was all just a story.

Edited March 22, 2023 by axiom

[Vibes]

Just now, axiom said:

A funny thing can happen with very strong determination sitting over a period of days or weeks. 

I am not sure how rare it is, but at some point the pain is seen as just another thing happening, the mind realises that in spite of the pain it is completely safe and untouched, and the pain does not fade away but loses all of its significance.

Have you done this yourself?

Or just heard of someone who did it?

[Devin]

3 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Have you done this yourself?

Or just heard of someone who did it?

You've done it, have you ever got into drinking, or did you ever hate vegetables, working out, etc....

Edited March 22, 2023 by Devin

[axiom]

2 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Have you done this yourself?

Or just heard of someone who did it?

I edited the post. Yes, it is something I have done myself. It was quite profound when it happened.

At some point on the "spiritual path" people often talk about "pure awareness". This was the recognition that 'I' seemed to be pure awareness. Pretty shocking at the time.

[Vasu Jaggi]

11 minutes ago, axiom said:

'I' seemed to be pure awareness.

and what can a fork in the eye do to the awareness. 

people are attached to their human self and it's future . they cant even let go of it when death becomes inescapable in a situation, let alone in their everyday lives.

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Vasu Jaggi

[axiom]

@Vasu Jaggi Right, exactly. 

However later I realised that even awareness is not foundational.

What seems to be "awareness" is not what you (or anyone) thinks it is.

Edited March 22, 2023 by axiom

[How to be wise]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What you fear is pain.

Pain is a thought, not a feeling. When I became enlightened in 2019, this was the major theme of my awakening: all of reality is created by thoughts. Behind thoughts, Nothing exists. And all physical sensations are part of the illusion. No exceptions. This I’m aware of right now.

[Vasu Jaggi]

3 minutes ago, axiom said:

later I realised that even awareness is not foundational.

have you elaborated upon it in some other post?

 

[axiom]

@Vasu Jaggi Yes, I think a few times. Most of my posts here probably point to it.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Pain is a thought, not a feeling. When I became enlightened in 2019, this was the major theme of my awakening: all of reality is created by thoughts. Behind thoughts, Nothing exists. And all physical sensations are part of the illusion. No exceptions. This I’m aware of right now.

I don't care about your enlightenment in the context of this thread.

[An young being]

18 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Pain is a thought, not a feeling. When I became enlightened in 2019, this was the major theme of my awakening: all of reality is created by thoughts. Behind thoughts, Nothing exists. And all physical sensations are part of the illusion. No exceptions. This I’m aware of right now.

I have experienced that everything can be an illusion created by the mind or something else ( not through meditation or enlightenment, but directly experiencing pain, suffering and sensations without a source to create them ( some educated people call them hallucinations). That doesn't mean we don't experience it. We experience the present, no matter if it is real or an illusion, just like we experience pain in our dreams.

[Something Funny]

@Lila9 you thought I watched a few serial killer documentaries and was about to start hacking babies left and right? ?

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

@Something Funny

I don't know but I think that when you practice meditation for years and you know how to enter to deep meditative states, it's sort of numb your body sensations because deep meditative states (or state of trance) prevent your mind from being too focused on physical pain.

 

I don't think it works like that. I probably don't have a clue just like you but I imagined that you transcend pain and suffering by feeling deeply into it (as opposed to numbing) and fully loving and accepting it.

[An young being]

16 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Lila9 you thought I watched a few serial killer documentaries and was about to start hacking babies left and right? ?

I don't think it works like that. I probably don't have a clue just like you but I imagined that you transcend pain and suffering by feeling deeply into it (as opposed to numbing) and fully loving and accepting it.

I was able to overcome suffering due to external physical pain using meditation to a large extent by focusing on the pain ( in specific cases like heating and getting beaten) but for some reason, I was not able to escape the suffering due to internal pain( eg. Pain caused due to head ache) .