PBD - Heated Debate on Anarchy With Michael Malic

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, koops said:

What about Osho?

He was a wise sage, but was critic of government and religion, even democracy but didn't propose anything new.

As far as I can tell he didn't spend too much time being a critic. Of course he had some criticisms of government and religion. But he didn't let that become a distraction to his spiritual work and nobody seriously came to him for advice on how to improve government.

As far as religion, Osho created systems to replace religion. His spiritual work is all about that.

Edited March 20, 2023 by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, koops said:

What about Osho?

He was a wise sage, but was critic of government and religion, even democracy but didn't propose anything new.

 

he proposed plenty new ... best source to read is The Last Testament vols 1-6

[Girzo]

@Leo Gura you must have not read his Autobiography. He has written a little bit on politics and government. His interest in this was the reason why he had had a commune in the first place. 

His thoughts on society weren't of the highest caliber, but I think he took it seriously.

[Leo Gura]

57 minutes ago, Girzo said:

you must have not read his Autobiography.

Didn't even know he had a biography. That sounds like a good read.

[gettoefl]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Didn't even know he had a biography. That sounds like a good read.

https://archive.org/details/AutobiographyOfASpirituallyOsho/page/n7/mode/2up

[gettoefl]

16 hours ago, gettoefl said:

he proposed plenty new ... best source to read is The Last Testament vols 1-6

chat-gpt:

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Osho spoke extensively on a wide range of topics, including politics. Some of his main ideas regarding politics include:

He was critical of traditional political systems such as democracy and communism, which he believed were flawed and ineffective.

He argued that political power structures are inherently corrupt and based on a desire for control and domination.

Osho believed that true change must come from within individuals, rather than from external political systems or leaders.

He encouraged people to question authority and think for themselves, rather than blindly following political ideologies or beliefs.

Osho believed that society would benefit from a more conscious, aware approach to politics, where individuals are empowered to take responsibility for their own lives and contribute to the collective good.

He also stressed the importance of compassion and empathy in politics, and the need to recognize the interconnectedness of all beings.

Osho believed that a transformation in consciousness was necessary in order to create a more just and equitable society.

He also emphasized the importance of nonviolence and peaceful communication in politics and conflict resolution.

Osho believed that political systems should prioritize the protection and preservation of the environment and natural resources.

He encouraged individuals to move beyond political labels and identities and focus on finding common ground and working towards a shared vision for the future.

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And here are some of Osho's critiques of traditional political systems such as democracy and communism:

Democracy: Osho believed that democracy, while better than other political systems, was still inherently flawed. He argued that democracy was based on the idea of the majority, which can often lead to oppression of minority groups. He also believed that politicians were more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in serving the people they represent.

Communism: Osho was also critical of communism, which he believed was based on a flawed understanding of human nature. He argued that communism tried to create a utopian society by suppressing individuality and creativity, and that it failed to recognize the importance of freedom and personal responsibility.

Both systems: Osho also criticized both democracy and communism for being too focused on external solutions, rather than addressing the underlying consciousness and awareness of individuals. He believed that true change must come from within individuals, rather than from external political systems or leaders.

Overall, Osho believed that traditional political systems were based on outdated models of human behavior and consciousness, and that a transformation in consciousness was necessary to create a more just and equitable society. He encouraged individuals to take responsibility for their own lives and to cultivate a more aware and conscious approach to politics and social change.

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by gettoefl

[Danioover9000]

@Epikur

On 3/19/2023 at 3:34 PM, Epikur said:

I aske ChatGPT what is the difference to Technocracy:

 

 

   A STEM based government more so than a technocracy to me, but modified that it's collectively at stage yellow and turquoise, maybe coral.

[Danioover9000]

@Nilsi

On 3/19/2023 at 3:36 PM, Nilsi said:

So modernism?

   More like post modernism, or trans-modernism of governance and society.