Warrants for Putin

[PurpleTree]

Oh well this woman she was talking crazy, he was cornered and he basically had to beat her into a bloody pulp“

[Danioover9000]

@lapis

16 hours ago, lapis said:

- During Obama’s last year in office, the United States dropped 26,172 bombs in seven countries. 

- Well, you don't know how many people those bombs may have saved!

- Russia invaded Ukraine.

- That's wrong!

   Is that baby Buddha?

[lapis]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Dropping bombs tactically is very different from launching an invasion with aims to grab land.

Say what you will about all the US military manipulations abroad, the US never grabs land. Putin is at a whole higher league of assholery. Imagine taking land away from people who live there.

So it's okay to drop bombs and kill people as long as you're not grabbing land? That somehow makes it not so bad? Lol. You can do whatever you want, just don't take any land and you're good. I didn't realize stealing was worse than killing.

And how is Putin taking land away from people who live there? Even if Ukraine became part of Russia, people would still live where they live (unless they wanted to leave). Taking land away from people would mean literally kicking them out of their country.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, lapis said:

That somehow makes it not so bad?

Exactly! Not so bad.

That doesn't mean good.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, lapis said:

And how is Putin taking land away from people who live there? Even if Ukraine became part of Russia, people would still live where they live (unless they wanted to leave). Taking land away from people would mean literally kicking them out of their country.

Are you fucking kidding?

Millions have been kicked out of their country. And worse! Raped and killed.

You think you can just live on your land? Russians will come and rape you. They are total barbarians.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

   So back to main topic, what are the chance Putin is actually getting arrested as a war criminal?

[Vrubel]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You think you can just live on your land? Russians will come and rape you. They are total barbarians.

Those that fight are literally convicts and low-live drunks from the provinces. But Russian society and culture are definitely not barbarian. Like to be fair if Ukraine was fully or half conquered nothing would really change existentially or materially for the Ukrainian people. They didn't live much better than Russians and they have a similar Eastern European mentality. Just 30 years ago they lived peacefully with each other in one country and served in the same army. They intermarry all the time. They would have been treated as equal citizens and go on with their life. 

It was probably Russia's original plan to conquer the eastern half and south of Ukraine and leave the way more nationalistic and monocultural Ukranian western part alone. 

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

8 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Those that fight are literally convicts and low-live drunks from the provinces. But Russian society and culture are definitely not barbarian. Like to be fair if Ukraine was fully or half conquered nothing would really change existentially or materially for the Ukrainian people. They didn't live much better than Russians and they have a similar Eastern European mentality. Just 30 years ago they lived peacefully with each other in one country and served in the same army. They intermarry all the time. They would have been treated as equal citizens and go on with their life. 

It was probably Russia's original plan to conquer the eastern half and south of Ukraine and leave the way more nationalistic and monocultural Ukranian western part alone. 

   Is it fair to say that Ukraine and Russia are more similar than most western perspectives would admit, due to both being of Slavic culture?

[Vrubel]

Yeah of course, they have a shared history, similar culture, mentality and the same Slavic "vibe". Though Russia has a big imperial ego while Ukraine does not and wants association with the west.

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

Yeah of course, they have a shared history, similar culture, mentality and the same Slavic "vibe". Though Russia has a big imperial ego while Ukraine does not and wants association with the west.

   Is there a way for the two to reconcile at this point?

[lapis]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Exactly! Not so bad.

That doesn't mean good.

Lol. So killing is not so bad as long as there is no land grab. That's where you draw the line? Got it.

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Are you fucking kidding?

Millions have been kicked out of their country. And worse! Raped and killed.

You think you can just live on your land? Russians will come and rape you. They are total barbarians.

Sure, people were killed. It's a war. Of course, nowhere near millions (About 8,500 civilians) and nowhere near the number of people killed by the US army (300,000 in Iraq alone).

No one was kicked out of their country. People flee, which is understandable. Stop twisting language.

[Vrubel]

@Danioover9000 Eastern European history is all about committing horrible atrocities onto each other and thereafter living together as if nothing happened. 

[Guest Tobia]

@Leo Gura

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 Russians will come and rape you. They are total barbarians.

This is not only disgustingly racist and inaccurate, but the dumbest version of american exceptionalism that exists.

Demonization of entire states as "rogue", barbarian axis of evil that therefore justifies disrespecting and ignoring the other side's concerns. 

Afterall, why would you listen or make a deal with barbarians?  Let's coup Ukraine, flood it with weapons and push it into nato.

What you just did, was used to attack Saddam Hussein and Gheddafi and leave millions of civilians in hell.

 

[Devin]

      How does saying the Ukraine invasion is wrong imply we think U.S. actions are right? About half of Americans have opposed all military intervention of the U.S..

[Vrubel]

@Tobia Russian army is exceptionally barbaric. They have no qualms about wiping villages and whole cities off the map. In fact, that is their whole strategy. Always has been from Chechnia to Afghanistan. Actually, a big reason why Russia (ironically enough) is so respected in those regions is that they know that they don't fuck around when it comes to fighting wars. 
In the middle east and Africa, they love Russia because they speak the same language and they hate America for helping them with one hand and bombing them with the other. For them, that's a whole new level of treachery and evil. 

[Israfil]

On 27/03/2023 at 0:13 AM, Leo Gura said:

Dropping bombs tactically is very different from launching an invasion with aims to grab land.

Say what you will about all the US military manipulations abroad, the US never grabs land. Putin is at a whole higher league of assholery. Imagine taking land away from people who live there.

The US intervened politically and economically in many nations all over the world. Half of Latin America had their governments and economics tampered with directly by the US. Brazil went through more than 20 years of dictatorship, with the direct influence of the US. Same thing with Chile, Bolivia, and Venezuela. I don't even have to talk about the middle east and Israel. Or the southeast Asian countries.

Why bother taking land, when you can destabilize the entirety of the country so you get cheap goods and leave an entire nation depending on you?

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Tobia said:

@Leo Gura

This is not only disgustingly racist and inaccurate, but the dumbest version of american exceptionalism that exists.

Demonization of entire states as "rogue", barbarian axis of evil that therefore justifies disrespecting and ignoring the other side's concerns. 

Afterall, why would you listen or make a deal with barbarians?  Let's coup Ukraine, flood it with weapons and push it into nato.

What you just did, was used to attack Saddam Hussein and Gheddafi and leave millions of civilians in hell.

I am Russian. I know how they operate.

[Guest Tobia]

@Leo Gura 

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am Russian. I know how they operate.

You know that the russian armed forces are all made up of rapists and barbarians? Come on..

It's precisely this complete lack of respect and arrogance that lead to this mess

 

[Leo Gura]

21 hours ago, Tobia said:

You know that the russian armed forces are all made up of rapists and barbarians? Come on.

1) Obviously not everyone is a rapist.

2) They are barbarians mostly because of the situation they have been forced into. They are not evil people per se, but in the Russian military if you refuse to follow their barbaric orders your own men will shoot you in head. You will get orders to launch a rocket into a schoolhouse, and if you don't follow it you're gonna get in trouble.

3) They are literally emptying prisons in Russia and sending murderers, rapists, and psychopaths into the front line.

The war crimes happening in Ukraine are nuts. These Russians have no respect, honor, or professionalism. These are not professional soldiers. Which is why I call them barbarians.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

1) Obviously not everyone is a rapist.

2) They are barbarians mostly because of the situation they have been forced into. They are not evil people per se, but in the Russian military if you refuse to follow their barbaric orders your own men will shoot you in head. You will get orders to launch a rocket into a schoolhouse, and if you don't follow it you're gonna get in trouble.

3) They are literally emptying prisons in Russia and sending murderers, rapists, and psychopaths into the front line.

The war crimes happening in Ukraine are nuts. These Russians have no respect, honor, or professionalism. These are not professional soldiers.

It doesn’t look like Putin can win this war unless he resorts to using tactical nukes or chemical weapons. 

Also, this one war historian expert says that if Putin loses this war or if he is perceived by his people to have lost this war, then he will very likely be overthrown by force and face some kind of very serious punishment for his failure.