After I Am Done Self-actualizing, And An Old Man, This Is My Plan.

[AstralProjection]

9 hours ago, brovakhiin said:

No, I think pondering about how we want to die is self obsession.

OK let's define self obsession or better yet let's define obsession since we already pretty much know what self is.

Obsession - an idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind.

I don't continually think about the way I want to die. It's been months if not years since I last posted about this topic on a forum.  I am in college and have better things to do with my life than thinking about ways in which I want to die all the time. Besides that would get boring pretty quickly.

9 hours ago, brovakhiin said:

After all, while we're sitting around musing about choosing nice ways to die, people out there are dying, without choice.

Yeah they are dying without choice because nobody in society gave them that option.  I don't live to today's standards which change at the whim of who's in power. I live by what I believe is going to be the future standards of society.  I rose above today's barbaric end of life practices and I am now trying to help others realize their choice in the matter, because there are options. If Leo limited his understanding and options to today's society he would have never took psychedelics and had those great breakthrough experiences.  

6 hours ago, Alex K said:

@AstralProjection I was ready to exit few years ago. I guess there is no such thing as dignity, it is a human concept. Reality is harsh and not giving a damn about anything. I am to become just like reality so that human concepts would not bother me. Anything that comes just comes than.

I believe what Leo said about paradoxes, so I can agree with you that dignity is a human concept, but it's also a real tangible thing that can be measured.

[Alex K]

26 minutes ago, AstralProjection said:

I believe what Leo said about paradoxes, so I can agree with you that dignity is a human concept, but it's also a real tangible thing that can be measured.

Leo mentions paradoxes a lot, but regards them as exercises for us and as temporary corks. Do not agree with me. "Human concept" is not a paradox, it is literally something that only exists in communication between humans and only human thoughts and emotions give it substance, it comes to life through human societal coexistence, it is a cultural thing, it is an error of our minds. In this literal sense, one can remove dignity as a belief, as a concept, as a source of emotions, thoughts, concerns and suffering from his mind completely through actualization. Then no matter how much my mind is destroyed - dignity is nowhere to be found in it.

And by humans I mean Egoes.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Alex K

[AstralProjection]

3 minutes ago, Alex K said:

Leo mentions paradoxes a lot, but regards them as exercises for us and as temporary corks. Do not agree with me. "Human concept" is not a paradox, it is literally something that only exists in communicatino between humans and only human thoughts and emotions give it substance, it comes to life through human interaction. In this literal sense, one can remove dignity as a thing from his mind through actualization. Then no matter how much my mind is destroyed-  dignity is nowhere to find in it.

Let's define dignity to make sure we are on the same page.

Dignity - the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.

Do animals have a sense of dignity? Yes they do the alpha male is revered and respected by most of the group. I would argue that even mice have a certain sense of dignity even us humans made a cartoon out of them called mickey mouse? Will you discover your dignity if you get hit by a drunk truck today and are in the most pain of your life? Wouldn't you want respect from the driver and the company he worked for? Or even better will you discover your dignity if you get mental disorder where you loose your sanity like delusional disorder? If you make yourself look like an idiot because you've gone a little crazy wouldn't you want people to at least acknowledge that you exist by talking with you a little? Because often times crazy people are ignored. Even family can be quite brutal and disown someone even in their own family.

[Alex K]

Yeah, sorry I've misunderstood you. Yes, world is not fare. And we all want good to happen to us, but it does not so we strive to wrap our minds around this somehow. Self development/spirituality/etc can provide a lot of interesting and fullfilling things which will help you grow and would potentially alleviate your suffering in case of a bitter end partially or altogether. You can pursue it in depth as is offered here or go on with your life and be prepared as you are, no worries.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Alex K

[Alex K]

I would of course want dignity in all the situations. But to get it, I would need to change the world at large. But that is not within my grasp. So what I would do with this? I would try to become at peace with reality. I can do this in multiple distinct ways and by combining them together, one of which is ensuring an emergency plan in case everything else fails.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Alex K

[AstralProjection]

33 minutes ago, Alex K said:

I would of course want dignity in all the situations. But to get it, I would need to change the world at large. But that is not within my grasp. So what I would do with this? I would try to become at peace with reality. I can do this in multiple distinct ways and by combining them together, one of which is ensuring an emergency plan in case everything else fails.

OK