Posted March 11, 2023 @LSD-Rumi Do you feel like I can close the thread? "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thought Art said: @LSD-Rumi Do you feel like I can close the thread? Yeah pls "Say to the sheep in your secrecy when you intend to slaughter it, Today you are slaughtered and tomorrow I am. Both of us will be consumed. My blood and your blood, my suffering and yours is the essence that nourishes the tree of existence.'" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said: If you're talking about a cessation, yeah, the body literally disappears. But mystical states can be integrated into waking consciousness as well. Im not talking about a cessation. I dont know what you mean by mystical state, but what Im talking about can not be integrated into waking consciousness - it transcends waking consciousness. 3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said: Ok, let's say they take the religious vow: will their capacity to be moral generally be lesser or greater than the average person? It's true when you actually transcend your body, but not when you're still in it, because again, you have a moral impulse connected to survival. Then we actually agree. Of course it will be higher -- but my whole point is that thats not necessarily a good thing and in any case has nothing to do with Truth. 3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said: Then we actually agree. I dont think we do unfortunately lol. You seem to think that you can somehow assimilate mystical states of consciousness into your ordinary human consciousness, while Im talking about something that is always beyond the human. You cant be in waking and dreaming consciousness simulateneously - and neither can you be in a mystical state of consciousness and be tied to moral conventions simultaneously. “Did you ever say Yes to a single joy? O my friends, then you said Yes to all woe as well. All things are chained and entwined together, all things are in love; if ever you wanted one moment twice, if ever you said: ‘You please me, happiness! Abide, moment!’ then you wanted everything to return!” - Friedrich Nietzsche Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2023 If someone is being an asshole they aren't "spiritually advanced". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nilsi said: Im not talking about a cessation. I dont know what you mean by mystical state, but what Im talking about can not be integrated into waking consciousness - it transcends waking consciousness. Of course it will be higher -- but my whole point is that thats not necessarily a good thing and in any case has nothing to do with Truth. I dont think we do unfortunately lol. You seem to think that you can somehow assimilate mystical states of consciousness into your ordinary human consciousness, while Im talking about something that is always beyond the human. You cant be in waking and dreaming consciousness simulateneously - and neither can you be in a mystical state of consciousness and be tied to moral conventions simultaneously. You seem to be using the word mystical in a non-traditional sense. Would you say you're not in agreement with tradition in general on this matter? Edited March 11, 2023 by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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