What is causing the teen mental health crisis?

[Raze]

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[Danioover9000]

@Raze

1 minute ago, Raze said:

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   So, any changes of opinion you have to this crisis?

Edited March 6, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Raze

   So, any changes of opinion you have to this crisis?

I think it’s a mixture of social media, liberals promoting ideas toxic to mental health like catastrophizing and victim mindset, and kids being raised with less freedom and too coddled so they aren’t familiar with stress. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by Raze

[Hardkill]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes they are. Traditional religion has been replaced with crap like TikTok. Most people got their values, purpose, and philosophy from follow tradition. That has been erroded by liberalism.

It makes sense that liberals get the worst of it, because they have no tradition anchoring them. Conservatives and traditionalists will be less prone to meaningless shallow materialistic lives.

Think of what happens when you replace church with MTV, Fortnite, Instagram, porn, and rap music.

Most people are incapable of creating their own purpose, values, and philosophy.

So, are you pessimistic about this trend ever turning for the better decades from now?

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

15 minutes ago, Raze said:

I think it’s a mixture of social media, liberals promoting ideas toxic to mental health like catastrophizing and victim mindset, and kids being raised with less freedom and too coddled so they aren’t familiar with stress. 

   Don't forget the destruction of the family unit, single parenting, less moral quality and standards from the liberal side, and not taking harder stances and rationally implementing actions to dealing with victim blaming, victim mindset.

   Social media and Tik Tok still takes the cake for being way more toxic to mental health. Go meditate, exercise, or read.

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

So, are you pessimistic about this trend ever turning for the better decades from now?

I don't see any trends in our culture that would solve these problems. Our culture is still degrading. As you can see with the popularity of people like Tate.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It makes sense that liberals get the worst of it, because they have no tradition anchoring them. Conservatives and traditionalists will be less prone to meaningless shallow materialistic lives.

Think of what happens when you replace church with MTV, Fortnite, Instagram, porn, and rap music.

Most people are incapable of creating their own purpose, values, and philosophy.

I was raised in a small rural redneck town in Central Florida where most people live in trailers… including myself as a teenager.

And I was always the lone liberal swimming in a sea of red. About 25% or more of the people in my hometown have the Rebel flag somewhere in or on their house. 

And so, my experiences with Conservatives is that they’re equally unachored and that there’s just as much moral decay in their homes.

Things I’ve witnessed from Conservative people when I was a teen…

- Flossing teeth with the metal from cigarette packs so that they’ll have dental problems and the dentist will prescribe opiates

- A family of 3 living in a single wife trailer with 4 pit bulls

- Three 10 year old neighbor boys smoking a gravity bong right out in public 

- Several drug overdoses from misusing prescription medication 

- Lots of adults in their 30s in relationships with teens who were my age

So, my personal experience with Conservatives is that they had more moralizations but fewer moral standards for themselves.

[Hardkill]

41 minutes ago, Raze said:

I think it’s a mixture of social media, liberals promoting ideas toxic to mental health like catastrophizing and victim mindset, and kids being raised with less freedom and too coddled so they aren’t familiar with stress. 

 

22 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Raze

   Don't forget the destruction of the family unit, single parenting, less moral quality and standards from the liberal side, and not taking harder stances and rationally implementing actions to dealing with victim blaming, victim mindset.

   Social media and Tik Tok still takes the cake for being way more toxic to mental health. Go meditate, exercise, or read.

Why are most conservatives in America are shameless MAGA zombies?

What about many of the Catholic priests and monks throughout history who molested and raped many innocent young boys?

So many religious leaders since the dawn of mankind have had massive egos, have been very delusional and grandiose, and used religion to gain power and wealth for themselves.

How about the fact that toxic conservatism has throughout history caused ethnocentrism, racism, religious dogma, nationalism, countless wars, mass destruction of places around the world, murders, torture, unhealthy forms of emotional repression, maiming, abuse, trauma, injustice, tyranny, and so on and so forth?

I'd say that some majority of conservatives throughout history have been sanctimonious hypocrites who have done more harm than good to themselves and to their own society. That's one reason why I think the idea of following religion and abiding by traditional values has most of the time been a big joke.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Hardkill

[Joel3102]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see any trends in our culture that would solve these problems. Our culture is still degrading. As you can see with the popularity of people like Tate.

How do you reconcile that we should be moving up the spiral, however things seems to be getting worse and more nihilistic? 

As dogmatic as traditional religion is, it probably makes people happier than Tik Tok and porn. 

[PenguinPablo]

11 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I was raised in a small rural redneck town in Central Florida where most people live in trailers… including myself as a teenager.

And I was always the lone liberal swimming in a sea of red. About 25% or more of the people in my hometown have the Rebel flag somewhere in or on their house. 

And so, my experiences with Conservatives is that they’re equally unachored and that there’s just as much moral decay in their homes.

Things I’ve witnessed from Conservative people when I was a teen…

- Flossing teeth with the metal from cigarette packs so that they’ll have dental problems and the dentist will prescribe opiates

- A family of 3 living in a single wife trailer with 4 pit bulls

- Three 10 year old neighbor boys smoking a gravity bong right out in public 

- Several drug overdoses from misusing prescription medication 

- Lots of adults in their 30s in relationships with teens who were my age

So, my personal experience with Conservatives is that they had more moralizations but fewer moral standards for themselves.

exactly because of projection

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I was raised in a small rural redneck town in Central Florida where most people live in trailers… including myself as a teenager.

And I was always the lone liberal swimming in a sea of red. About 25% or more of the people in my hometown have the Rebel flag somewhere in or on their house. 

And so, my experiences with Conservatives is that they’re equally unachored and that there’s just as much moral decay in their homes.

Things I’ve witnessed from Conservative people when I was a teen…

- Flossing teeth with the metal from cigarette packs so that they’ll have dental problems and the dentist will prescribe opiates

- A family of 3 living in a single wife trailer with 4 pit bulls

- Three 10 year old neighbor boys smoking a gravity bong right out in public 

- Several drug overdoses from misusing prescription medication 

- Lots of adults in their 30s in relationships with teens who were my age

So, my personal experience with Conservatives is that they had more moralizations but fewer moral standards for themselves.

For sure conservatives are massive hypocrites. They love to speak of morality but then behave like savages.

Then again, you are young, so the social decay was already in full force during your childhood. And of course the decay affects conservative areas too. What you described IS the moral decay that serious conservatives are always complaining about. They would agree with you that things are decayed and therefore we must tighten up our belt.

9 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

How do you reconcile that we should be moving up the spiral, however things seems to be getting worse and more nihilistic? 

As dogmatic as traditional religion is, it probably makes people happier than Tik Tok and porn. 

We are moving up the Spiral, but that comes with ups and downs.

As an example, industrialisation was huge progress for mankind, but it was also very ugly for many people who had to work in dirty factories. That's how civilization seems to evolve. It's not all positive. It's very hairy.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

For sure conservatives are massive hypocrites. They love to speak of morality but then behaving like savages.

Then again, you are young, so the social decay was already in full force during your childhood. And of course the decay affects conservative areas too.

We are moving up the Spiral, but that comes with ups and downs.

As an example, industrialisation was huge progress for mankind, but it was also very ugly for many people who had to work in dirty factories. That's how civilization seems to evolve. It's not all positive. It's very hairy.

So, would you say that having both moderately conservative and moderately liberals views is the best way to live a truly happy and meaningful life?

Societies such as the US are also becoming increasingly atomized, which makes things even worse on a collective level.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

So, would you say that having both moderately conservative and moderately liberals views is the best way to live a truly happy and meaningful life?

I would say you need strongly liberal and strongly conservative views for the best life. Applied in proper contexts.

[Hardkill]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I would say you need strongly liberal and strongly conservative views for the best life. Applied in proper contexts.

So, even some far-right and some far-left views can be acceptable depending on the context of the situation?

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

24 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

 

Why are most conservatives in America are shameless MAGA zombies?

What about many of the Catholic priests and monks throughout history who molested and raped many innocent young boys?

So many religious leaders since the dawn of mankind have had massive egos, have been very delusional and grandiose, and used religion to gain power and wealth for themselves.

How about the fact that toxic conservatism has throughout history caused ethnocentrism, racism, religious dogma, nationalism, countless wars, mass destruction of places around the world, murders, torture, unhealthy forms of emotional repression, maiming, abuse, trauma, injustice, tyranny, and so on and so forth?

I'd say that some majority of conservatives throughout history have been sanctimonious hypocrites who have done more harm than good to themselves and to their own society. That's one reason why I think the idea of following religion and abiding by traditional values has most of the time been a big joke.

   If you're going to continue blaming the traditionalists and conservatives of history, might as well blame the left and communism for it's atrocities as well. And there were far worse groups than conservatives too, go blame them as well.

   And I'm a moderate conservative in the UK, way above American conservativism. Also, not completely fixed tin that position, as I do have liberal takes as well.

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

33 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

 

Why are most conservatives in America are shameless MAGA zombies?

What about many of the Catholic priests and monks throughout history who molested and raped many innocent young boys?

So many religious leaders since the dawn of mankind have had massive egos, have been very delusional and grandiose, and used religion to gain power and wealth for themselves.

How about the fact that toxic conservatism has throughout history caused ethnocentrism, racism, religious dogma, nationalism, countless wars, mass destruction of places around the world, murders, torture, unhealthy forms of emotional repression, maiming, abuse, trauma, injustice, tyranny, and so on and so forth?

I'd say that some majority of conservatives throughout history have been sanctimonious hypocrites who have done more harm than good to themselves and to their own society. That's one reason why I think the idea of following religion and abiding by traditional values has most of the time been a big joke.

   I also find it funny you immediately assume I'm MAGA. I'm not, and that's what having a liberal mind gets you to jump to conclusions too quickly, when you should have exercised caution and, well, more conservative, because maybe you made a mistake?

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

5 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

So, even some far-right and some far-left views can be acceptable depending on the context of the situation?

   Yes and no.

[Emerald]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

For sure conservatives are massive hypocrites. They love to speak of morality but then behave like savages.

Then again, you are young, so the social decay was already in full force during your childhood.

I suppose that’s true. My dad’s side of the family are from rural Georgia, and it’s a little bit more wholesome from what I witnessed from Florida rednecks.  

Though there is still quite a bit of social decay. I do have a few family members who have had problems with drugs and prison and stuff like that. But not as much as was going on in my hometown.

But my paternal grandma is originally from a little enclave in the Georgia hills. And she moved to a small rural town when she married my grandpa back in the early 50s. 

And she was born in 1931, but acts like she was born in 1831. She’s a delightful anachronism.

She’s very straight and narrow.

And many of my family members have a very positive Stage Blue thing going on. And I always liked going there during the summers because it was a bit more connected and communal and we did a lot of camping and fishing and stuff like that. 

And of course the decay affects conservative areas too. What you described IS the moral decay that serious conservatives are always complaining about. They would agree with you that things are decayed and therefore we must tighten up our belt.

I know what they’re responding to. And I used to share some similar views to what would create a better society.

I witnessed a lot of what many Conservatives would call degeneracy. And I judged it harshly in my mind when I perceived a person’s behavior as degenerative. Though I never said anything to anyone directly. 

One of the main negative things about my hometown is that about half of the people there had such low standards for themselves… flimsy moral codes, meth/crack/opiates, child neglect, domestic abuse, statutory rape, filthy living conditions, poor dental hygiene, racism, lack of sexual standards, irresponsible family planning, kids getting taken away, etc.

 

[Hardkill]

34 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   I also find it funny you immediately assume I'm MAGA. I'm not, and that's what having a liberal mind gets you to jump to conclusions too quickly, when you should have exercised caution and, well, more conservative, because maybe you made a mistake?

 

39 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   If you're going to continue blaming the traditionalists and conservatives of history, might as well blame the left and communism for it's atrocities as well. And there were far worse groups than conservatives too, go blame them as well.

   And I'm a moderate conservative in the UK, way above American conservativism. Also, not completely fixed tin that position, as I do have liberal takes as well.

I didn't say all conservatives around the world are toxic.

It is also true that left-wing ideologies such as communism/socialism have indeed backfired terribly.

I actually have a lot of respect for moderate conservatives and I don't know what most in countries like the UK are like, but unfortunately most conservatives in America have been brainwashed by MAGA.

Some Conservative values are still good to have, but I was pointing out all of the atrocities that have occurred because of many toxic forms of conservatism 

 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, PenguinPablo said:

exactly because of projection

Lots of that toward anyone deemed as  an other.

Once, my then-boyfriend took me to go visit one of his work friends Tim at Tim’s home.

And Tim lived with his brother and had brought him a plate of food from the Golden Corral (which is where Tim and my bf worked).

And within 30 seconds of meeting Tim’s brother, he started eating the food (chicken and mashed potatoes) with zero manners… like a wild animal.

And as he was shoveling down food while it was getting all over his hands and face, and he began going on a huge tirade (with food in his mouth) about how black people are monkeys that behave like wild animals.

Total projection and scapegoating. And black people in particular were an absolute obsession for him.

I think it was then that I realized that racism is a psychological hang up more than it is a moral deficiency because I had only over met casual racists before that.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Emerald