Marianne Williamson Is Running For President

[martins name]

Bernie is too old now and I think Marianne will carry the torch for the progressive movement in the US. I've never admired a politician as I admire her. I wish her the best of luck. Maybe she won't win this round but when you play you should play to win.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, martins name said:

Bernie is too old now

And she is too New Agey to have mainstream appeal. There will not be a New Age president for another 100 years. New Age is extremely offputting for like 80% of the population.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Leo Gura

[martins name]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

And she is too New Agey to have mainstream appeal. There will not be a New Age president for another 100 years. New Age is extremely offputting for like 80% of the population.

I've gotten the sense that when people actually listen to her or converse with her they are impressed by a very wise woman with a sharp understanding of the core issues facing normal Americans. You might be right but I think there is a possibility that the strength of her character and the substance of what she is talking about will shine through people not resonating with her vibes. Trump is offputting to most Americans but he won anyways by being an outsider, the same might happen for Marianne.

[Emerald]

On 3/5/2023 at 7:24 AM, Leo Gura said:

Makes you really wonder, do people such as her actually think they will win? Or are they playing some long game for publicity?

She was saying in an interview that her goal in running for president is primarily to bring attention to issues and policy proposals that aren’t addressed in mainstream politics and to put them more inside the Overton Window.

In a similar way to how Bernie’s presidential runs didn’t lead to victory. But now, so many more people are awake to things like single payer healthcare and the issues with money in politics.

Basically, if she wins, she wins. And if she loses, she wins. And so does society at large.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Emerald

[Danioover9000]

@martins name

56 minutes ago, martins name said:

I've gotten the sense that when people actually listen to her or converse with her they are impressed by a very wise woman with a sharp understanding of the core issues facing normal Americans. You might be right but I think there is a possibility that the strength of her character and the substance of what she is talking about will shine through people not resonating with her vibes. Trump is offputting to most Americans but he won anyways by being an outsider, the same might happen for Marianne.

   Unlikely, Donald Trump won by being charismatic, and knowing how to manipulate the people. A lot of Americans, about half of the country, love Donald Trump, and the other half, the democrats, are mostly normal people doing 9-5 jobs. In fact, mainstream left and right and middle are still a bit creeped out by progressive circles, new age and hippie people, even SWJs are cringe to them. So, unlikely for her to win, as she's part of a crazy, cult like group in the past. GOD only knows what scrying orbs or magic wands she has up her sleeves! This is how a typical down to earth American may think of her.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, martins name said:

I've gotten the sense that when people actually listen to her or converse with her they are impressed by a very wise woman with a sharp understanding of the core issues facing normal Americans. You might be right but I think there is a possibility that the strength of her character and the substance of what she is talking about will shine through....

Haha! That's not how American politics is won. You win by acting stupid, not wise.

[martins name]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha! That's not how American politics is won. You win by acting stupid, not wise.

Is that how Obamna got elected? American politics is bigger than Trump. Would you have said that 8 years ago?

 

@Danioover9000 I don't get woo-woo vibes from her political speeches. Quite the opposite, she is very down-to-earth. She isn't some green hippie, she is turquoise. People do have a preconception that she's woo-woo but that tends to disappear when they actually hear her speak.

Trump mainly won because he was against the Washington establishment that is completely out of touch with the needs of average Americans.

[Danioover9000]

@martins name

14 minutes ago, martins name said:

Is that how Obamna got elected? American politics is bigger than Trump. Would you have said that 8 years ago?

 

@Danioover9000 I don't get woo-woo vibes from her political speeches. Quite the opposite, she is very down-to-earth. She isn't some green hippie, she is turquoise. People do have a preconception that she's woo-woo but that tends to disappear when they actually hear her speak.

Trump mainly won because he was against the Washington establishment that is completely out of touch with the needs of average Americans.

   If she's at stage turquoise, what and how many values do you think she hold at that stage? Do you think she's 100% stage turquoise? If so, why is she still messing around in politics when she could open a temple up, or create a community similar to Sadhguru, maybe teach and practice more spirituality?

   Was that all Trump did to win? Go up against the Washington establishment, who were at the time the left leaning party?

[Danioover9000]

@martins name

   Wasn't the ACIM a book about how to gain occult powers, and have paranormal/supernatural feats and experiences?

[aurum]

1 hour ago, martins name said:

I don't get woo-woo vibes from her political speeches. Quite the opposite, she is very down-to-earth. She isn't some green hippie, she is turquoise. People do have a preconception that she's woo-woo but that tends to disappear when they actually hear her speak.

She does have the ability to win over some progressives.

I feel this is a good representation of how many SD Green progressives view Marianne:

In essence, many progressives will see her as kind of woo. But still preferable to SD Blue.

The challenge though is that this will be the most charitable response she is likely to get. The lower you go down the spiral, the less people are likely to relate to Marianne. And that happens to still be a huge percentage of the population.

Side note, I wonder if Marianne will be Kyle Kulinski’s bridge out of atheism and into spirituality. He seems to respect her. Should be fun to watch what happens.

[Emerald]

12 minutes ago, aurum said:

She does have the ability to win over some progressives.

I feel this is a good representation of how many SD Green progressives view Marianne:

In essence, many progressives will see her as kind of woo. But still preferable to SD Blue.

The challenge though is that this will be the most charitable response she is likely to get. The lower you go down the spiral, the less people are likely to relate to Marianne. And that happens to still be a huge percentage of the population.

Side note, I wonder if Marianne will be Kyle Kulinski’s bridge out of atheism and into spirituality. He seems to respect her. Should be fun to watch what happens.

I honestly think she has a Bernie Sanders level of potential. Only time will tell though.

There’s a small possibility that she could even best him at galvanizing his base and beyond because she understands at a deep level the way that optics, coalition building, and creating political movements work… while Bernie could be a bit strong headed about things like that for better and for worse.

Like Bernie was easier to besmirch as a Communist because he was always talking about being a Democratic Socialist. And so, this was a huge bug-a-boo for a lot of the people I spoke to when canvassing for him.

And I can see her do very well at painting a simple vision for the general constituency on the level that most can receive it. 

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha! That's not how American politics is won. You win by acting stupid, not wise.

Not necessarily so. You mostly do it through Populist messaging that people resonate with.

In the 2016 election, Donald Trump ran his campaign on bringing back jobs and draining the swamp.

He also threw some demagoguery in there to galvanize the racists in his base.

But silly as it seems, probably 1/2 or more of 2016 Trump supporters voted for him because they saw him as an anti-establishment outsider that was going to come in and fix things.

And in 2020, he lost because the Rust Belt went to Biden when he didn’t deliver on his promises and stopped the fake Populist messaging.

Marianne could leverage her campaign similarly because she too is an outsider.

[Emerald]

In case any U.S. citizens want to contribute to her campaign…

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/marwilliamson2024

 

[Hardkill]

38 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I honestly think she has a Bernie Sanders level of potential. Only time will tell though.

There’s a small possibility that she could even best him at galvanizing his base and beyond because she understands at a deep level the way that optics, coalition building, and creating political movements work… while Bernie could be a bit strong headed about things like that for better and for worse.

Like Bernie was easier to besmirch as a Communist because he was always talking about being a Democratic Socialist. And so, this was a huge bug-a-boo for a lot of the people I spoke to when canvassing for him.

And I can see her do very well at painting a simple vision for the general constituency on the level that most can receive it. 

If she has potential of galvanizing the progressive base as much as Sanders did if not more, then why did she do extremely poor in the primaries? Why doesn't she has as much name recognition and status as someone like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie Sanders? Why hasn't she received any big endorsements from any democratic leaders or big donors?

Also, Leo is right, her message on New-Age spiritualism is way too ahead for most Americans who are still too tradition-oriented. Most Americans are still either Christian or Jewish or practice some other kind of traditional religion.

In fact, no progressive is ever going to become POTUS until maybe decades later. Even Elizabeth Warren who has never even labelled herself as a democratic socialist like Bernie Sanders and placed 3rd in the 2020 primaries didn't come anywhere close to winning the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.

Besides, why rock the boat when we need to make sure that a Democrat wins the presidency and not some right-wing fascist lunatic?

Edited March 7, 2023 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

I submit to you George W Bush.

I rest my case.

[Hardkill]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I submit to you George W Bush.

I rest my case.

I think a majority of Americans miss having Obama as president. I know I do. He was probably the best president we ever had since FDR.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Hardkill

[aurum]

56 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I honestly think she has a Bernie Sanders level of potential. Only time will tell though.

There’s a small possibility that she could even best him at galvanizing his base

I would love to see that.

I still suspect atm that her chances for 2024 are nil. But I will be happy to be proven wrong.

I do think 2028 could be a serious run for her. She won’t have to unseat an incumbent interparty president. And she will have more exposure and more of a proven track record by then. I also assume Bernie is done running given his age, which means his base needs a new person to rally behind.

I think she needs to stick to the strategy she as already been using: just talk about the issues people care about in a way they can relate to. You can talk about God a bit because that’s what you are known for, and Americans still mostly like that. But don’t go into crystal new age land.

20 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

If she has potential of galvanizing the progressive base as much as Sanders did if not more, then why did she do extremely poor in the primaries? Why doesn't she has as much name recognition and status as someone like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie Sanders? Why hasn't she received any big endorsements from any democratic leaders or big donors?

 

Because almost no one knew who she was, for one thing. All the people you listed are established politicians.

20 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Also, Leo is right, her message on New-Age spiritualism is way too ahead for most Americans who are still too tradition-oriented. Most Americans are still either Christian or Jewish or practice some other kind of traditional religion.

That’s true. That will hurt her chances in a general. But that also hasn’t been the focus of her campaign at all. She is taking a (mostly) secular approach to things, while sprinkling in some spirituality here and there. Which I think is her best strategy.

20 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

In fact, no progressive is ever going to become POTUS until maybe decades later. Even Elizabeth Warren who has never even labelled herself as a democratic socialist like Bernie Sanders and placed 3rd in the 2020 primaries didn't come anywhere close to winning the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.

That’s probably true. But Bernie did come close to at least getting the nomination. And I’d argue Biden is more progressive than progressives give him credit.

Progressives will not and should not just roll over and play dead. They are going to keep pushing the Overton window. Even if they don’t win, there is some value in that.

Edited March 7, 2023 by aurum

[Emerald]

59 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

If she has potential of galvanizing the progressive base as much as Sanders did if not more, then why did she do extremely poor in the primaries? Why doesn't she has as much name recognition and status as someone like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie Sanders? Why hasn't she received any big endorsements from any democratic leaders or big donors?

She (like Bernie) doesn’t accept big donations from corporate PACS. And don’t expect the establishment to back her because her campaign is anti-corporatist.

And she had low support in her previous run because she was running in the primary against Bernie and Elizabeth Warren who are higher profile progressives.

Not to mention the 20-odd other corporate Democrats she was running against.

Now, it’s just her and Biden. Progressive versus Corporatist. And she will pick up a great deal of the Bernie and Elizabeth supporters.

The base is already there. They didn’t disappear when Bernie lost. They just need a strong progressive leader to organize behind once again.

And Marianne is a strong progressive leader. And now, she’ll have more of an opportunity to show it.

Also, Leo is right, her message on New-Age spiritualism is way too ahead for most Americans who are still too tradition-oriented. Most Americans are still either Christian or Jewish or practice some other kind of traditional religion.

She doesn’t put anything specifically New Agey in her campaign messaging. She’s quite politically savvy to the optics of that.

But because of her career as a spiritual self-help author, she is commonly smeared as the orb mother.

But when people underestimate her as some wishy washy new-ager, she does a great job dispossessing them of their illusions. 

In fact, no progressive is ever going to become POTUS until maybe decades later. Even Elizabeth Warren who has never even labelled herself as a democratic socialist like Bernie Sanders and placed 3rd in the 2020 primaries didn't come anywhere close to winning the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.

Perhaps it’s true.

But I think there is a chance if she does a kick-ass campaign. I mean… Trump happened and I didn’t see that coming.

So, I will act in accordance with what I’d like to see happen.

I think it’s a lot more important how she angles her campaign.

And she’s already leaning into the message around disrupting the corruption of the political establishment… which is a popular message.

Besides, why rock the boat when we need to make sure that a Democrat wins the presidency and not some right-wing fascist lunatic?

It doesn’t rock the boat because she’s just going against Biden in the primary.

If she doesn’t win the primary, she won’t be a 3rd party spoiler in the general or anything like that.

 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

I would love to see that.

I still suspect atm that her chances for 2024 are nil. But I will be happy to be proven wrong.

It will all depend on her campaign. If she plays her cards right, then I think she can catch fire.

Bernie Sanders’ progressive base still exists. They didn’t just disappear when he lost.

So, she already has a built in support base.

And given that it doesn’t act as a spoiler for Biden if he goes to the general, there’s no downside to supporting her.

I do think 2028 could be a serious run for her. She won’t have to unseat an incumbent interparty president. And she will have more exposure and more of a proven track record by then. I also assume Bernie is done running given his age, which means his base needs a new person to rally behind.

Yes, unseating an incumbent will be difficult. But the polling data was already suggesting that the majority of Dems wanted another Democratic nominee to go to the general.

It’s only like 20% of people who polled as wanting Biden to be the nominee again… probably because of his age.

I think she needs to stick to the strategy she as already been using: just talk about the issues people care about in a way they can relate to. You can talk about God a bit because that’s what you are known for, and Americans still mostly like that. But don’t go into crystal new age land.

Yes, she should definitely stick to the angling of herself as the moral compass in politics. And just stick to being a pro-people candidate. And it’s clear from her books and interviews that she knows what she’s doing..

Progressives will not and should not just roll over and play dead. They are going to keep pushing the Overton window. Even if they don’t win, there is some value in that.

That’s her stated main goal. Even if she doesn’t win, it’s still a win.

 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I submit to you George W Bush.

I rest my case.

That’s pretty old news. 

But I understand what you’re saying. Americans can support stupid candidates.

But Americans also supported Barrack Obama because of his progressive messaging about hope.

And I think Marianne can drum up a similar type of support.