Women treat MEN the way men treat JOBS: how relationship goals change the dating

[Gesundheit2]

@Devin Selfish and transactional are not the same. Everyone is selfish, including you and me, but not everyone treats others transactionally. Women value loyalty. They don't toss husbands to the side of the road just like that unless something is seriously wrong.

[Bobby_2021]

4 hours ago, zurew said:

An average women can contribute a pussy and according to the current dating dynamics that is more than enough to have leverage over most men.

Lmao . Can't you think of anything but pussy and boobas ? ??

Think harder. It's like the bare minimum.  

Whatever, I have to appreciate the honesty for laying it out so cold. The fact is that most women don't have anything to contribute to relationships but pussy.  There is no longer a social pressure for women to develop herself while men have to face monumental expectations from society. 

4 hours ago, zurew said:

My argument about "contribution" has everthing to do with in the context of the current dating dynamics and nothing to do with putting an objective value or judgement on who has what value.

This is trying to escape reality by switching on a pragmatic approach.

 

According to the current dating dynamics it is be okay for men to dumb 25 year old pussy for 20 year old pussy.

Guess what? Pussy gets old. 

I guess you have no moral qualms when men go for younger, higher quality pussy, because apparently that's what gives women "leverage"  over men. 

5 hours ago, supremeyingyang said:

The point in progressive modern relationships is that there isn't a single answer to this anymore.

I get it. We are all supposed to wake up everyday play like kids singing ring o roses ring o roses while government acts as our big daddy welfare state. 

[Gesundheit2]

@Devin Women also develop deeper emotional attachment than men. Breaking up a relationship is harder for women than men, especially the longer it has lasted.

[supremeyingyang]

2 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I get it. We are all supposed to wake up everyday play like kids singing ring o roses ring o roses while government acts as our big daddy welfare state. 

OMG - EXACTLY my point!

Why didn't you tell me earlier that you are a commie too?

 

[Devin]

30 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

@Devin Selfish and transactional are not the same. Everyone is selfish, including you and me, but not everyone treats others transactionally. Women value loyalty. They don't toss husbands to the side of the road just like that unless something is seriously wrong.

             This is not saying women easily divorce, just far easier then men, men usually don't change what they want from a woman throughout the relationship the way women do.

23 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

@Devin Women also develop deeper emotional attachment than men. Breaking up a relationship is harder for women than men, especially the longer it has lasted.

             True. This isn't simple addition and subtraction though it's a differential equation.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Devin

[Bobby_2021]

28 minutes ago, supremeyingyang said:

OMG - EXACTLY my point!

Why didn't you tell me earlier that you are a commie too?

Stay strong comrade. ? 

Our revolution will be smooth and quick. Until then, stay low. 

[Devin]

@Gesundheit2  This doesn't mean you can't have an honestly awesome relationship, you can. 

[supremeyingyang]

15 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Stay strong comrade. ? 

Our revolution will be smooth and quick. Until then, stay low. 

At your command, major!

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Lmao . Can't you think of anything but pussy and boobas ? ??

I can list more points, but that point alone is enough for women to have leverage over most men and that was my overall point. An average men has so little power on the dating market , that a women with a pussy will have leverage over him, thats why the prescription and the talking should be more about how men could become better and not about demonizing feminism. Increase the standards not demonize the increased standards, because those standards won't really go anywhere.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

There is no longer a social pressure for women to develop herself while men have to face monumental expectations from society. 

I don't really agree with that for this reason: when it comes to women having sex, yes, they don't need to do shit, but when it comes to searching for a long term quality relationship, for that to work they need to provide some value other than their pussy and what they will need to provide will be dependend on the power dynamics of that specific relationship.

The more standards she will have for a long term realtionship the more things she will need to contribute ( again, im not talking about only having sex here, Im specficially referring to long term relationship). If she wants a high value/quality guy, that guy will have much more leverage than other guys, therefore she won't be able to play the smae leverage games as with normal guys, so if she wants to stay in that relationship she will need to adapt and will have to contribute more.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

According to the current dating dynamics it is be okay for men to dumb 25 year old pussy for 20 year old pussy.

The term "okay" is a morally loaded word, I haven't said anything other than a description (I haven't mentioned or placed a moral value on the current dating dynamics), what you are doing here is not just a description but more like a moral evaluation. 

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I guess you have no moral qualms when men go for younger, higher quality pussy, because apparently that's what gives women "leverage"  over men. 

Thats a nice way to distort my point.  I didnt say that pussy is the only variable that women could use to have leverage, I said that was one that is enough for them in most cases, because in general, men has so little leverage  that they can't even overcome women's one variable leverage (pussy) with what they can contribute.

If someone wants to go for younger pussy, then do it, I have nothing against it, but I have more to say if that same men will preach about redpill talking points like: "a men generally loves in a self sacrifical way or in a more selfless way" (because thats obviously is a bullshit). I could literally use multiple redpill talking points to create an argument why the premise of "men loves in a more selfless way" is not true.

 

[zurew]

4 hours ago, Devin said:

Lesbians get divorced more than gay male couples at the exact same widely disproportionate rate as females initiating divorce in heterosexual couples, how do you explain this?

Homosexual divorce makeup; 30% gay 70% lesbian. Marriage is 50/50 gay and lesbian for total homosexual marriage makeup.

Hetero; 30% man initiates 70% woman

I would actually have to see the actual stats on this (the link), but Im not sure what you trying to prove or suggest with these raw stats. If you want to suggest here again, that women are more selfish, then this point alone won't be sufficient enough to prove that point (even if I can't come up with a hypothesis that would explain these numbers), because there are a wide variety of variables that are all contributing to a divorce and selfishness is just one of them.

3 hours ago, Devin said:

This has the effect of women more likely to leave or be dissatisfied with a man down the road. At the start of the relationship the man satisfied what she was looking for, down the road the woman is not satisfied by the same thing, what she wants down the road is different, if the man is not also this new desire the woman will be upset with the relationship.

Or maybe men changes during the relationship and he start to not care about things that he cared during his dating phase (not working out anymore, not caring that much about his hygene anymore, not being able to listen and take care of his wife's problems and never talk about those problems, never really doing anything or contributing anything other than doing work and being really terrible at reading certain signs and being terrible at communication).

2 hours ago, Devin said:

Why did the women marry those terrible companions?

Because, they couldn't see beforehand what they are getting into? Some men are deceitful and good at playing certain roles in order to get what they want and some of the men are successful at it (obviously not to say that all men are manipulative), and of course we could add the option that those girls might have been naive and couldn't see the redflags ( but again, here I have to mention, that some of the redflags could be hidden for a very long time, if that men is good at being deceitful)

 

Its interesting to see some of the redpill guys suggesting in this context (very conveniently) that women are perfectly rational and purely transactional, but at the same time in other contexts argue, that women are very emotional and they are not allowed to have sex with other men , because when women have sex with another men, they do it because they must be emotionally attached to that men.

[Devin]

13 minutes ago, zurew said:

I would actually have to see the actual stats on this (the link), but Im not sure what you trying to prove or suggest with these raw stats. If you want to suggest here again, that women are more selfish, then this point alone won't be sufficient enough to prove that point (even if I can't come up with a hypothesis that would explain these numbers), because there are a wide variety of variables that are all contributing to a divorce and selfishness is just one of them.

Or maybe men changes during the relationship and he start to not care about things that he cared during his dating phase (not working out anymore, not caring that much about his hygene anymore, not being able to listen and take care of his wife's problems and never talk about those problems, never really doing anything or contributing anything other than doing work and being really terrible at reading certain signs and being terrible at communication).

Because, they couldn't see beforehand what they are getting into? Some men are deceitful and good at playing certain roles in order to get what they want and some of the men are successful at it (obviously not to say that all men are manipulative), and of course we could add the option that those girls might have been naive and couldn't see the redflags ( but again, here I have to mention, that some of the redflags could be hidden for a very long time, if that men is good at being deceitful)

 

Its interesting to see some of the redpill guys suggesting in this context (very conveniently) that women are perfectly rational and purely transactional, but at the same time in other contexts argue, that women are very emotional and they are not allowed to have sex with other men , because when women have sex with another men, they do it because they must be emotionally attached to that men.

Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8960185/Lesbian-couples-TWICE-likely-divorce-married-gay-men-ONS-data-reveals.html

Lesbian couples are TWICE as likely to divorce as married gay men, ONS data ...

Nov 17, 2020 — Of those same-sex couples who divorced last year, 589 - 72 per cent - took place between women. There were 233 between men,

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Devin said:

Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8960185/Lesbian-couples-TWICE-likely-divorce-married-gay-men-ONS-data-reveals.html

Lesbian couples are TWICE as likely to divorce as married gay men, ONS data ...

Nov 17, 2020 — Of those same-sex couples who divorced last year, 589 - 72 per cent - took place between women. There were 233 between men,

The Daily Mail isn’t a very reputable publication. Can you find other articles that refer to the same study?

Edited March 4, 2023 by Emerald

[Devin]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/11/18/married-lesbian-couples-divorce-gay-men-office-national-statistrics-data/

Lesbian couples are still significantly more likely than gay men to get divorced, new data suggests.

Data from the Office for National Statistics published on Tuesday (17 November) shows that while female couples make up just over half of same-sex marriages in England and Wales, they account for nearly three-quarters of same-sex divorces.

Five years on from the introduction of equal marriage in England and Wales, there were 822 divorces among same-sex couples in 2019, nearly twice as many as reported in the previous year.

Of these, 589 were female couples and 233 were male couples.

[Devin]

Mediate.com

https://mediate.com › lgbtq-couples...

LGBTQ Couples And Divorce Trends

Jul 5, 2022 — Lesbian Marriages are More Likely to End in Divorce · Studies Indicate Gay Male Marriages are More Resilient · Causes behind LGBTQ Divorces

[Devin]

Women Wanting Women

https://womenwantingwomen.com › ...

Why The Lesbian Divorce Rate Is So High

Nov 21, 2022 — Did you know that the lesbian divorce rate is twice as high as it is for gay guys? Why are lesbians getting divorced at twice the rate of .

[Devin]

 

https://womenwantingwomen.com/2022/11/why-the-lesbian-divorce-rate-is-so-high/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-the-lesbian-divorce-rate-is-so-high

"What I learned about lesbian divorces…

 

What I learned when I started digging around is that this isn’t actually a lesbian thing at all.

This is a woman thing.

Multiple studies going back to the 1940’s have shown that it’s women who initiate approximately two thirds of all divorces in the US and Great Britain. (Not just LGBT divorces – I’m talking about all divorces).

It turns out that women are twice as likely to initiate a divorce, compared to men."

Edited March 4, 2023 by Devin

[Devin]

Cue Postmodernist head spinning, strawmanning, ad hominem, and shesplaining.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Devin

[Devin]

I found a video that explains this perfectly.

 

 

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Devin said:

Cue Postmodernist head spinning, strawmanning, ad hominem, and shesplaining.

Why are you expecting that? 

Thank you for providing other links to the same study. Jeez!

[Devin]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

Why are you expecting that? 

Thank you for providing other links to the same study. Jeez!

Because I unlike postmodernists notice patterns.