Women treat MEN the way men treat JOBS: how relationship goals change the dating

[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

feminism is not the problem

I am from a second/third world country and feminism here is quite weak.

Personally I like feminism in a lot of ways, however I cannot deny how much it has messed up marriages and the whole male/female dynamic.

Where I live divorces are quite rare, men are masculine , women are feminine, everyone has equal rights and familes are quite healthy with no divorces to fuck up the childreen for the rest of their lives.

Things just work.

I see no reason why the rest of the world cannot do the same thing.

I dont think a 50% divorce rate is healthy for society.

Natural male/female dynamics keep everyone happy and modern feminism often is against them

[Devin]

3 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Men remain as bad as they were, and women simply start waking up to it, cuz of feminism and cuz of aging/"maturing".

        That's effectively the same thing the video says, watch the very end of the video specifically, for your point right here.

[Emerald]

You hear that sound?

It’s the sound of 4 billion sets of legs closing all at once. 

[something_else]

6 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Female love is very pragmatic and selfish while male love is selfless and sacrificing. But wait…

It is obviously a stereotype but observe it for yourself and you will see it is true

Have you had particularly bad or one-sided relationships that give you this viewpoint? I have not experienced this to be true, it sounds like a POV that would be born from being mistreated in a shitty relationship, or not having the quality of relationships you want or deserve.

In fact I would say I have found that men tend to be the most selfish in relationships from my experience of relationship dynamics in the like 18-25 age range.

I’ll even admit I’m more selfish than the partners I’ve been with.

Both sexes are capable of being very selfish. Human nature is to be selfish. To say that the love men as a whole give is selfless is wrong purely on the basis that 95% of humans are very very selfish. Men have their own set of selfish relationship goals and they’ll sacrifice only what they need to to obtain those goals, and rarely more.

 

 

[Devin]

42 minutes ago, Emerald said:

You hear that sound?

It’s the sound of 4 billion sets of legs closing all at once. 

You wish. ?

Edited March 4, 2023 by Devin

[Emerald]

12 minutes ago, Devin said:

You wish.

Why would I wish that?

[Devin]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Why would I wish that?

          If you have something about the thread topic you want to discuss with me I will but all your male neo-feminists are already strawman puking all over this thread enough that we don't need to have a tangent.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Devin

[Ulax]

5 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Ulax but that's not why I made the comment.

It's just that I have noticed that anytime I enter a dating section here it's more likely that I will get some negative belief or ideology forced into my mind instead of getting some positive information / motivation / encouragement. 

It is seriously affecting me in a bad way.

And even if you block users who post this kinds of stuff, you can still see the titles like "women treat men the way they treat jobs". 

What an empowering message to read before going to sleep while trying to improve your dating life, lol.

@Something Funny I think I understand.

However, if what is posted is within the guidelines, its okay to post it. But just because something seems low consciousness, it doesn't, to my mind, mean it shouldn't be here.

If you want to avoid getting what you see to be limiting beliefs from the dating section, then I would recommend taking personal responsibility and just avoiding this section of the forum. Or perhaps putting some users on ignore. Or, in my opinion, working on the underlying psychological dynamics that keep you returning to this section, when it doesn't seem to serve some of your conscious goals.

[Roy]

9 hours ago, Devin said:

for college-educated women, the rate jumps to 90%.

"Why are men so commitment phobic?" lmao

[Leo Gura]

@StarStruck You are so stuck on Tate. Others are not even thinking about these stories you project and make so central to your worldview.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Leo Gura

[zurew]

This part of the forum shows how many people are just parroting red pill talking points, without thinking about them for 1 second, posting stats without context and without actually showing  the details behind them.

This part of the forum reveals how people here are engaging with topics and what quality of research and thinking they do before they confidently restate F&F, Tate talking points.  "Men loves uncoditionally, here is a set of 20 things that are required for my love as a "high" quality man: be a 10/10, allow me to have a one sided open relationship, where I can have sex with as many women as I want and you can only have me,  be totally submissive to me, allow me to dominate and lead the whole relationship, do all the chores at home, cook for me, take care of everything at home, I want you to be quiet, I want you to follow my 100 rule book about what you are not allowed to do, I want you to never complain and not to never cause me a headache etc, but I love you unconditionally and in a self sacrifical way, babe". - the idea, that a men who has as much or closely as much leverage as a hot women on the dating market, wouldn't leave and exploit women just as much is just ridiculously naive and blatantly false and shows how much bias some of you guys have here.

Edited March 4, 2023 by zurew

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Devin said:

          If you have something about the thread topic you want to discuss with me I will but all your male neo-feminists are already strawman puking all over this thread enough that we don't need to have a tangent.

Do they belong to me?

Apparently I own some male neo-feminists. ?

Am I the king pin Feminazi arch nemesis of all that’s good and masculine?

And now, I’ve used my dominatrix whip to break the spirits of several men on this thread.

And now their only function in life is to spread the great Feminine evil unto the world on my behest.

The most common evil line I have them say is “Come on guys. Women aren’t that bad.”

And then I give them a treat for doing my evil bidding.

[Something Funny]

@Ulax just a little rant.

[Bobby_2021]

Is anyone here interested in discussing the content of the video posted by op?  What do you think about it?   

 

 

[Emerald]

10 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Is anyone here interested in discussing the content of the video posted by op?  What do you think about it?   

I didn’t watch the video because I don’t want it to affect my YouTube algorithm and start feeding me a bunch of anti-woman videos.

But the notion that women view men like they view jobs… there’s a minority of women that do that. Gold diggers exist.

But most women are looking for love and companionship. We’re human too… believe it or not.

Now, if we go back to the 1950s and before when women were expected to be housewives, then it was really foolish not to treat a marriage like a job.

If you married a poor guy… you’re going to be poor for the rest of your life and your children are going to be poor because you’re not allowed to have a bank account or make any money.

But now, while most women will take a man’s station in life into account somewhat, it isn’t about that.

Women don’t need to be with men anymore to get financial support. So, they can choose freely for the sake of love and companionship.

[Bobby_2021]

@Emerald In the 1950s women were expected to be housewives being dependent on her husband for finances. 

Now that we have gone past that, what are the qualities a woman must have in the modern age to be in a functional relationship? 

[StarStruck]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@StarStruck You are so stuck on Tate. Others are not even thinking about these stories you project and make so central to your worldview.

Andrew Tate is my role model to integrate my animus visa-vi anima and it is working great. I don't think I will be stuck on him, eventually I will phase out on him.

But just copying some of his life style aspects like boxing, push ups every day, chess, work, and how he carries himself in the private and public sphere has helped me a lot without becoming toxic.....

I think I'm drawn to Andrew Tate because he is my polar opposite. He is an extreme narcissist and I'm an extreme empath, so those two poles cancel each other out when the two are integrated.

So finding a more moderate role model won't be as effective for my anima animus integration. I can sense this.

Edited March 4, 2023 by StarStruck

[Spiral]

The average woman will leave the average man.

Who cares? Just don’t be the average man and you’ll be fine. It’s not even difficult.

Here is my three step program to be top 80%

1. Have a job.

2. Don’t consume porn.

3. Don’t play video games.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Spiral

[Gesundheit2]

13 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Female love is very pragmatic and selfish while male love is selfless and sacrificing.

Absolutely, which explains perfectly why every male on earth faps to the fattest ugliest oldest grannies like 7 times a day (at least) while still burning with selfless giving desire and sacrificing love. If only those grannies knew how much we love them. But alas, they're just pragmatic opportunist soulless robots. They don't care about us and all of our wasted sperm.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Gesundheit2

[supremeyingyang]

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

Do they belong to me?

Apparently I own some male neo-feminists. ?

Am I the king pin Feminazi arch nemesis of all that’s good and masculine?

And now, I’ve used my dominatrix whip to break the spirits of several men on this thread.

And now their only function in life is to spread the great Feminine evil unto the world on my behest.

The most common evil line I have them say is “Come on guys. Women aren’t that bad.”

And then I give them a treat for doing my evil bidding.

We had this discussed so many times!! Don't write about the plan in public, the patriarchy will be informed now, you fool!

женщины не так уж плохи

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Is anyone here interested in discussing the content of the video posted by op?  What do you think about it?  

Too simplistic. What do you think?

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

I didn’t watch the video because I don’t want it to affect my YouTube algorithm and start feeding me a bunch of anti-woman videos.

lol to that statement, but you don't miss much by not watching it.

 

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Now, if we go back to the 1950s and before when women were expected to be housewives, then it was really foolish not to treat a marriage like a job.

If you married a poor guy… you’re going to be poor for the rest of your life and your children are going to be poor because you’re not allowed to have a bank account or make any money.

But now, while most women will take a man’s station in life into account somewhat, it isn’t about that.

Women don’t need to be with men anymore to get financial support. So, they can choose freely for the sake of love and companionship.

Jep, I see women leave not for more money but for more PURPOSE. Just look at most men 10+ Years in a relationship. Women complain and if they then leave the men are baffled. Hilarious.

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Now that we have gone past that, what are the qualities a woman must have in the modern age to be in a functional relationship? 

Depends on the partner. I prefer classic role models, but it could be the case that the women is the 'man'. Or neither. Or both. It depend on what people want. All the traits of a self actualizing individual would help.

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

Andrew Tate is my role model to integrate my animus visa-vi anima and it is working great. I don't think I will be stuck on him, eventually I will phase out on him.

But just copying some of his life style aspects like boxing, push ups every day, chess, work, and how he carries himself in the private and public sphere has helped me a lot without becoming toxic.....

I think I'm drawn to Andrew Tate because he is my polar opposite. He is an extreme narcissist and I'm an extreme empath, so those two poles cancel each other out when the two are integrated.

So finding a more moderate role model won't be as effective for my anima animus integration. I can sense this.

sounds good, I used that method as well - of course not with Tate which is too much foe me. Sooner or later one learns the lesson and integrates it. Just skip the illegal stuff^^

41 minutes ago, Spiral said:

The average woman will leave the average man.

Who cares? Just don’t be the average man and you’ll be fine. It’s not even difficult.

Here is my three step program to be top 80%

1. Have a job.

2. Don’t consume porn.

3. Don’t play video games.

That's my Homeboy! I'd add: Lift weights.

18 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Absolutely, which explain perfectly why every male on earth faps to the fattest ugliest oldest grannies like 7 times a day while still burning with selfless giving desire and sacrificing love. If only those grannies knew how much we love them. But alas, they're just pragmatic opportunists. They don't care about us and all of our wasted sperm.

I guess they mean with 'unconditional love' that most men would stick with their first GF forever, if given the chance. Then they be left alone and develop the laundry list of traits of their next partner, hey paradoxical but why not. Sadly most stay at this point indefinetly. I don't know why. Do you have a theory?