Video “Why we Blame Women for the Masculinity Crisis”

[Devin]

38 minutes ago, Consept said:

I wouldnt say its totally fake, it is true that boys are falling behind girls in school and of course there are higher suicide rates of men than women, men are more likely to be homeless, addicts etc. So there are definitely issues, I think most of them are due to society changing and men not wanting or not knowing how to change with it. It is difficult because there are so many factors conflicting, evolution, genetics, societal norms etc, before it was laid out pretty black and white whats expected of a man and a woman but now we're questioning if a 'man' is even a thing, what we have is freedom but we are all experiencing the anxiety of that freedom. 

       I appreciate your answer but that's all just social media hysteria. 1950 suicide rate per 100k is 21 in 2016 its 21. Addiction, consider alcoholism say pre 1990, it's just been replaced by other drugs now.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/

 

The Globe and Mail

https://www.theglobeandmail.com › ...

Girls have actually always done better than boys at school, study finds. But why?

Apr 29, 2014 — In those stereotypically "male" subjects, girls have either performed just as well as boys, or do better. These results were not only

Edited March 1, 2023 by Devin

[Gesundheit2]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's deliciously ironic when men consider it masculine to blame women for eroding their masculinity.

That's the most beta logic of all time:

"I can't be a strong man because women have a voice."

 

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Women are too picky?

This is so silly. If anything, women are not picky enough. They sleep with the worse characters.

If I had a daughter I would teach her to be pickier. If you're a shady character, you don't deserve sex with my daughter.

It's funny you said this because you cannot possibly control your daughter since she "has a voice". So she will go and have sex with all the Tates of the world until she realizes the wisdom in your advice from direct experience. There is, indeed, nothing stronger or manlier than the inability to protect your daughter.

[Consept]

1 hour ago, Devin said:

       I appreciate your answer but that's all just social media hysteria. 1950 suicide rate per 100k is 21 in 2016 its 21. Addiction, consider alcoholism say pre 1990, it's just been replaced by other drugs now.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/

 

The Globe and Mail

https://www.theglobeandmail.com › ...

Girls have actually always done better than boys at school, study finds. But why?

Apr 29, 2014 — In those stereotypically "male" subjects, girls have either performed just as well as boys, or do better. These results were not only

Yeah fair, I havent delved into the suicide statistics but I guess what would be relevant is whether men are killing themselves at a greater rate that women now or has it always been the same ratio? It's currently 75% of suicides are male. 

The other issue in terms of girls doing better than boys would be more pronounced now because girls are encouraged to do well at school and in academia where they wouldn't have been before. In fact there are a lot of programs to get women into different fields that they may not have considered before. Of course none of this is bad per se but it does mean more competition for boys that older generations wouldn't have had, meaning that it's harder than it would've been before, which is great in terms of getting the best people but it will leave some men purposeless. 

Having said that, masculinity crisis is probably exaggerated and overblown, I'm just pointing out that there are some things that have changed in society which will make some men feel a bit lost if they dont adapt. 

[Devin]

11 minutes ago, Consept said:

Yeah fair, I havent delved into the suicide statistics but I guess what would be relevant is whether men are killing themselves at a greater rate that women now or has it always been the same ratio? It's currently 75% of suicides are male. 

The other issue in terms of girls doing better than boys would be more pronounced now because girls are encouraged to do well at school and in academia where they wouldn't have been before. In fact there are a lot of programs to get women into different fields that they may not have considered before. Of course none of this is bad per se but it does mean more competition for boys that older generations wouldn't have had, meaning that it's harder than it would've been before, which is great in terms of getting the best people but it will leave some men purposeless. 

Having said that, masculinity crisis is probably exaggerated and overblown, I'm just pointing out that there are some things that have changed in society which will make some men feel a bit lost if they dont adapt. 

Yeah. The link I posted lists men and women suicides side by side they've trended the same.

[Devin]

Suicide Prevention Resource Center

https://www.sprc.org › news › wom...

Women's Suicide Rates Are Increasing Faster Than Men's. We Asked Experts Why

Jun 22, 2018 — National data suggest that the suicide rate is rising faster among women than men. A recent report from the National Center for Health 

 

Mental Health Innovations

https://mentalhealthinnovations.org › ...

ONS report shows alarming rise in suicide rates among young women

Startlingly, females aged 24 years or under have seen the largest increase in suicide rate since ONS records began in 1981. There were 3.6 deaths per 100,000 

 

maxwell.syr.edu

https://www.maxwell.syr.edu › article

Suicide Rates Have Soared among Middle-Aged White Women in the US

Overall, rates among white women are highest for those ages 45-54, reaching an unprecedented rate of 14.3 deaths per 100,000 white women in 2017. The

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[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Women are too picky to that she picks only shady characters to sleep with. They are more exciting, charming and make up for a great first impression. 

It’s not even that. Shady men aren’t that attractive to most women when they imagine their ideal relationship.

But an unpicky woman just gets feelings for some guy in her social circle and then ignores the red flags and deal-breakers.

And this unfortunately can happen to any woman because the feelings are intense once they set in. It’s happened to me before.

It’s following the heart without bringing the brain. And it’s seeing a man through such rose colored glasses that she doesn’t realize that she’s with a “low value partner’

It’s not that she’s necessarily interested in shady characters. Most adult women are not, unless they themselves are shady. 

But if she happens to develop strong feelings for a shady character, then previously held standards go out the window. Double that feeling if she hasn’t gotten a lot of love from her family of origin and has issues with shame.

The guy could be an ugly couch potato who never bathes and does drugs all the time who hasn’t had a job in 10 years, and the woman will just accept it (or try to manipulate him into changing) because of how she feels.

The trick is not to even give shady characters the time of day. The heart isn’t picky. It’ll just set itself on one of the guys in the social circle.

And once that happens, it’s going to be hard to detach because the feelings are very strong.

I think men underestimate the strength of those feelings… and how little they have to do with a man’s objective qualities.

So, the best way to be a picky woman is to not interact that much with shady guys. You have to be picky before feelings have the opportunity to set in.

That’s what wisened women do.

[Arcangelo]

5 hours ago, Devin said:

Can someone point me to this masculinity crisis? It's totally a fake social media drama narrative.

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[aurum]

19 hours ago, Emerald said:

Couldn’t have said it better myself ?

 

[Jacob Morres]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Women are too picky?

This is so silly. If anything, women are not picky enough. They sleep with the worse characters.

If I had a daughter I would teach her to be pickier. If you're a shady character, you don't deserve sex with my daughter.

i mean yeah dude it's not easy. it takes a ton of work and character development 

i'm not really talking about shady guys. i'm talking about if u want to be able to get consistent dates, or a good sex life. 

[aurum]

50 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said:

i mean yeah dude it's not easy. it takes a ton of work and character development 

i'm not really talking about shady guys. i'm talking about if u want to be able to get consistent dates, or a good sex life. 

None of that means women are “too picky”.

You are defining pickiness relative to what is good for your dating life. But consider that is your problem, not the problem of women.

Consider instead what is in the best interest of women.

[Devin]

6 hours ago, Jacob Morres said:

i mean yeah dude it's not easy. it takes a ton of work and character development 

i'm not really talking about shady guys. i'm talking about if u want to be able to get consistent dates, or a good sex life. 

         Online dating or social circle dating? If you meet girls in social circles it's like shooting fish in a barrell, pickup and online dating are inherently working against any man, it is pickiness in a sense but only due to those variables. 

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Devin said:

         Online dating or social circle dating? If you meet girls in social circles it's like shooting fish in a barrell, pickup and online dating are inherently working against any man, it is pickiness in a sense but only due to those variables. 

I’d say that’s pretty accurate. I’m guessing that most women sort pick up guys from their consideration automatically. 

[something_else]

26 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I’d say that’s pretty accurate. I’m guessing that most women sort pick up guys from their consideration automatically. 

 

Depends how you define pickup guy. If you go out to clubs and bars and meet women that way, they absolutely don't. I think that's a healthy thing for a lot of guys to do, especially if undersocialised. And most women I've met that way have been pretty receptive to advances because of the environment. Those are environments where you're literally meant to go up and talk to new people.

Going out hunting for sex at 11am on a Saturday in your local grocery store though... yea you're getting sorted out by a lotta women

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

Depends how you define pickup guy. If you go out to clubs and bars and meet women that way, they absolutely don't. I think that's a healthy thing for a lot of guys to do, especially if undersocialised. And most women I've met that way have been pretty receptive to advances because of the environment. Those are environments where you're literally meant to go up and talk to new people.

Going out hunting for sex at 11am on a Saturday in your local grocery store though... yea you're getting sorted out by a lotta women

I don’t mean at bars and clubs because those spaces are designed for hooking up. And yes, I think it’s a good thing for guys to do to get more experience.

I meant specifically day-game and street approach. I honestly don’t get why any woman would be receptive to it… unless she’s really lonely.

[ValiantSalvatore]

I don't get the best vibes from the video type of creation with the memery, and possible undercurrents. It's extremely difficult to meet someone on the same spectrum. 

I often feel empowered when women have a voice, and many care about qualities of caretaking etc. That makes me for example feel like a strong man. The point is blaming women is ultra toxic and collectively not an answer. Fundamentally to me it is fear of having no power, and everytime I've been in a spectrum of power with a women, she usually then even gives you power! Ironically LOL! Because she wants to see you grow and be a healthy man, so to speak. This has been my experience even with let's say power dynamics that are uncomfortable. Even with feminine energy men. 

What I don't like about the content creator, it feels like it's a guy who never looked a bit more deeply into ancient cultures, like just from skimming one book and the history section he picks (heavily acadmic poltical science background almost stereotypical about post-modernistic green), I will not take this guy seriously, besides when he get's to the non-bullshit, as I am from Europe and I've seen and felt this kind of bullshit, in a very social system, even if captalistic. Like for me this guy evokes notions of Blumenbach with his "eastern attitude".  Colonialism won't cut it for me, please study Sexology or smth. And see how "disgusting" humans can be and primitive. As well as in an idealistic sense it even works, yet we cling to apparent monogamy, and nuclear family. The one feminist I talked to liked this idea more and sees it as important and duty of society, and I am thinking is this not what you wanted to deconstruct, I am confused. Then family dynamics become very real and we just get back to a patriarchy, because of lack of SD Yellow values. 

I agree with the right wing grifters, so to speak that they are giga toxic, it's like they attack your vulnerabillity and discreate the open space for more healthy dating with a more flexflow oriented type thinking without looking for red flags and heavy screening. It's close to impossible in the next 100 years I feel besides in some rare online and social space, and places with maybe high entropy... so there is just a larger acceptance and freedom of the gripes of social darwinistic power, that you can date more freely without screeing for red flags, as even having red flags can be a red flag. It's more about compatabillity and giving others for "their story" a fair chance. I feel this is true integrity, humans do change otherwise some b.s would still be in place. 

The content creator is a pretty leftist grifter himself. I still do not understand what is fundamentally wrong about going out, having sex with women, beign charming and enjoy a healthy nightlife and sex life even if it evokes some healthy stage red & orange power drives and even on the leftside you'd have a stage orange experience... and women might not be the most conscious etc still you might find a gem. Still you never know who you eventually meet. When I contemplate all of this and it's way better  when someone enjoys the kind of sex life the human beign wants to create. Also this can be a fun adventure. 

Like when I went out and I gave my best to do this consciously a guy I meet had his first kiss ever, he was so happy you would not believe it and he has way more value than me, like having this level of humility and even beign so financially save in a dual study system so young is quiet insane. How intelligent this guy approaches life, he does not get laid, because he just does not know how! Imagine he goes out everytime, and then he has to be non-judgemental about Andrew Tate and shit, because guys can coerce you in that worldview. What is wrong about it? Drinks to keep up with the guys, and actually just wants to party and have a good time, then he meets a couple of authentic guys, and we to to know people and things unfold more organically, still like I heavily want humans to connected otherwise I am so bored, I don't like it at times, and I love meeting new faces etc.

Most relationships are phony to me, because even when I have the "ultimate" blueprint, in the backburner from a super-conscious coach, many women don't make the cut lol! They just want a lot of the material stuff especially online and women under the ages of 25 approx. Even on a highly leftist plattform like OkCupid, how toxic from a lifestyle perspective the self-perscribed leftist is (typical smoking cigs vegan). Then this "fortnite" gaming culture, which is true and a purple bait at times. Like for a lot of sexy and attractive young women do this, some are into the culture and how it's a disguse under the paradigm sort of from survival of the fittest, and a bit of elitist selection. (Some really just want a unique partner who is compatible)

Then the counter-perspective of the more mature spiritual women that are there, who are about holism. They are so fking evolved (one liked me out of Zurich we chatted I think a bit), it's not easy to catch-up as it's their daily passion simply. So of course I as a man, even at a "conscious" place feel threatend because the whole day I am in a power dynamic and it's mostly not that cooperative, just the idea of approaching and "game" ... check Wikipedia is already framed as red pill ideaology. For me as a man with a social identity it feels like feminist want me to conform to this blue-yellow (when possible mostly heavily sd blue I feel) provider type of guy, who acts out this fully new functional, optimized lifestyle with a bit high-tech and high-status. I notice this with asian friends for example, how there is this blue coercive force of having to be the provider, and then it's about masculinity, it's so odd to describe! I wish I could give an answer, yet most just become addicted to each other on one level or the other... 

Many just don't know what healthy masculinity is, then even the helpful advice is taken from both sides feminists and right-wing  type of Tates etc. and used for their own machniations. Like how can I tell what is masculine? By feeling the quality of it? Like David Deida is red pill why?? Just why? The guy is super leftist and his ideas are beign abused, then I feel disinclined to learn about real masculinity like martial arts and inductively without bias from it, because yes it does give me more power and also more access to feminine power and I truely love that! 

What I find interesting about approaching when I did it a couple of times besides online-dating, there are not many "high value women" and when you approach "high value women" if you have "value" (even that is a survival paradigm) when you have "natural selection" as a favorable mechanism, it surely helps and it feels so heavy SD blue, like having to be the perfect fit, instead of even having just a normal relationship for a while and learning from that experience, that is somehow as close as gone, as it can be it's either bang or bust, and or be together forever. Not even the understanding of learning is there, as it's just pure deconstruction, and again yes some of this stuff is super super toxic. Game, PUA and or not, guys can easily be swines. There is a good song about it in German, called "Männer sind Schweine" I do have to laugh at it at times, because it's about women hearts, and yeah the Schadenfreude spectrum anyway. 

Even when I first began speaking about with with a feminist friend, (who steadily complained about her "lack of masculinity" partner years ago YES because of direction, ngl she is also pretty good at it which made it difficult, yet she kept giving me tradeoff comments about what she liked in me etc. the masculinity lol! As I just do masculine stuff meditation, exercise etc. and not this neutrality type shit). Like how much status, and other stuff gives access to women, just re-inforces red-pill and it legit is "natural survival" seen as the ultimate paradigm, there is no art and love in there, it's pure survival and war. 

What I dislike and I still have issues with regardless online&offfline is, how close to toxic healthy masculinity can feel to me for billions for reasons, and how most just live to pro-create. Even the guy in the video gave me the impression, "Oh be save under my paradigm, we will be able to even pro-create more healthily!!". 

Or imagine guys adding you seeing you as the physical ideal of a man, when young and juvenille, when you are the complete opposite and still have tons to learn, then how much effort it takes and how much of a lone-wolf SD integration you need for not getting fully sucked into the rat race is not that easy.

There are different analysis I could run even under the paradigm of the Ennegram, as I presume their could be some enjoyment, yet I would need more material as I did the founders courses etc. The point is from a "non-biased" not Über intellectual guy, with billions of technical definitions. Although I could give some examples if interested, I will do it anyway, when I am done with section 2 of life purpose... 

Approaching women and being social and well-liked and respected are basic human needs and cravings, that need to happen on some level, I can even distill them online to some level healthly. In that sense beign high-value, just how "simple" it is when you are surrended by beautiful women how many other beautiful women want you suddenly, you see clearly the survival mechanism at work. How protective beauty and all of this fashion is from potential female mates, as more not so sexy let's just say women, are totally disinterested then, full of fear, or in disgustment of the frivolousness. 

I dunno I have more fun empowering women making them feel good about having power, instead of saying: "Your biological due date is tomorrow". 

I might get less women because of it, yet I feel I get more conscious and empowering women, still going through the whole day mostly. The point about day game, I did not even appraoch 10 women IMAGINE!  (All night-game also) Like how happy someone feels when you clearly know the person feels alone and wants a connection and you do this authentically, just like if you are against the "conceptual layer..." of constructed patriarchal society, and you like a bit of romance, like a daygame approach from a high-value guy (again heavy survival paradigm). Like the quality women I approached who rejected me was so happy about giving me her phone number most were to chicken to ask, they all are there to meet women, have fun and party etc. So I just approached she really was happy, that alone is quiet nice to give. 

The point is this is just beign politicized for practical enslavement to some level, like do you want to design perfection constantly and design perfect places, for the perfect partner for the perfect situation etc. Then saying ups sorry you messed up in life now you get no partner. Or design the perfect easy enviroment, for you and abuse survival to absolute hell, playing on easy mode so to speak. For some gamificaiton perception. 

I feel daygame is super polite and chill as you just casually speak to someone without having these social roles all dressed up to engage in human b.s, and you just brighten the day with a nice gesture eventually, no need to make a pure threat out of this, at night time all kinds of b.s happens, because you can get away with a lot more. 

I would even say day game is the best game, wheny you integrate it simply into normal activities, instead of making everything a ritual. In case single etc. I find this is better served for intimacy, reasons. Even just small adventures etc. (Like I did with female friends yes and yes it sucks - like doing pick-nick, and again yes it sucks). I'd rather have a friend group with a dog doing pick-nick.

For me this would also be a sign for a more mature and open-minded women, instead of beign fear ridden because of survival concerns or unimaginable standards and basically just wanting.. .sex, food and companionship and materialism, if I am very blunt, as many are not even interested in deeper relationships it also takes a tremendous amount of mastery and willingness of both sides to engage in this, and just want good family time and companionship. 

Day game is way better most likely to find high quality women, instead of night game and most want casual and chill out of fear of shame. Then again power gives protection

I dunno I never really meet a women with low-standards in my life and friend circle, most have been pretty picky even for me, and that has I think protected me from some toxic shit. Also it's not easy to create this, if more SJW women would empower men to become more "yellow pilled" you'd be able to see a healthy integration of more yellow values, being principled based, open-minded, non-judgemental, holistic syntehsis based and about solving more complex human issues etc. But I dunno when I see Andrew Tate and that young guys like him, and I get the projections I am sorry, for humanity lol. It's also very confusing. 

A non-frame war would be nice, and just reporting the excess of it, it's extremely discouraging, when a guy who is interested in integrity goes out and is forced into a power dynamic and hierachy the whole day to just take it, and then thrown back into the unkown chamber. 

I for example really am interested in sleeping with a lot of attractive women like I dunno not "a lot", let's say (45 max) if needed for some whatever reason, and minimum (5) for some quality restraint lol. Then like for me it's about becoming better at sex itself, as I don't want children. I don't like the right-wing propaganda at times to have children in order to have a fullfilled life, and the left is doing way better with their family orientation and more integration of other stuff. I usually like SJW type women and feminists, yet they are so against technology omfg. If you would see my female deep learning professor the whole SJW type of thinking would change to turqouise/yellow orientation of creating beauty... most take technology for a given, instead of contemplating how beautiful it is to create this. Typical 1w9 also. This gives the issue of perfection  and anger . 

Anyway here is my semi-cosmic rant. The main issue is satisfaction and growth in a sense and not beign deluded, by social media propaganda a la denialist finest. 

Edited March 2, 2023 by ValiantSalvatore

[ValiantSalvatore]

To add in some sense it is nice that healthy feminity keeps toxic masculinity at bay, and gives real man a chance. Beign against an approach during day time if it's not sleazy sounds to me super regressive, just saying no under social protection (obviously depends on area) is super easy for the women.

I made myself a female profile for one day, just a cute model, like it's insane how much bombardment a women can get in a single minute, and these approaches were so bad. I could even understand toxic women in a sense, (one liked me even) it's just better to learn from relationships and to grow and integrate. In a sense it's good that no everyone does day&night game imagine that would be like having an online-profile of a women and receiveing 1000+ messages a day if you are highly attractive and valueable. In a survival type of world. It's legit insane, I had to laugh how easy and how difficult it is to meet needs as a women. Like these approaches are to funny, I can understand why many women enjoy deep female friendships, as this serves as a good protection layer. 

Anyway, I hope this serves as some perspective and anti-demonization, I mean otherwise everything regardless if hierachical or network oriented, would end up in a scheme that is ranking oriented. Instead of more open and holistic and compatible. Like a nice chill social gathering, where there are enough people and it's evident that non-judgement and getting to know each other is important, like having a good host at a house party, family gathering etc. 

At best compatible, integrative, and synthesis oriented. Having similar visions about life, values etc. and taking action on that. Also accepting others for who they are and other golden principles, that just give a solid foundation for a relationship. Yet compatibillity is the number one thing I observed, otherwise there is nothing really morally incorrect about approaching, the sleazy shit that is reported is simply bad human behaviour and evil, maybe from Gods perspective it's not that repugnant and digestable. Although most would be inclined to act more properly, I bet also the most good approaches are not even reported. I have never seen a post, about and rarely do, hey guy approached me was super nice and said no, as it's just easier to react to negativity instead of creating positivity. 

I dunno just over-focusing on the ego manifestation of others, is very coercive and does not really create room for contemplative reflection and insight for example some random, incels type of behaviour and hostile views etc. If you really want to change some persepctive, as they will only listen to the result, it's important for "toxic masculinity" to realize what works and what is not toxic, and women supporting that. 

It takes also wisdom, and many are not interested, even just going to a club having fun with a girlfriend from a more traditional household, like if that is not possible something is wrong with the idea of loyality. Especially when considering how addictive socializing can be, it's a huge distraction to spirituality and intimacy in my opinion. Then you have characters like Tate, who act like they would not let "his girl" into the club alone because of "protector" resons. Like wtf most women girlfriends I have been out with and invited to parties, were the most loyal and more concerned about the lonliness and hospitality and deep bonds and friendships, also all highly intelligent people not like some idoicy you find around the corner. Maybe that is an american thing. I dunno.

Corona and A.I technology is distorting a lot of it, I also find many are to one-sided in their integrations. I would be glad to meet people in an artifical world, and non-aritifical, yet choosing one over the either just seems stupid to me. 

It's basically just adventure, like imagine growing up in Germany from age 16 and beign used to alcohol festive culture and having a yearning for this "inner child & inner youth" feelings of just going out talking to others and having a great time, meeting others (at the beginning of the PD journey 2010-2018) via the internet and travel and have hospitality etc. Then everything burns down, as this stuff does not last, this is the fault at one point shit has to settle, yet you can still enjoy adventure and plan etc. and be spontaneous, still most of these problems and relationships are spiritual.

I dunno I hope I can create a network for me that is functional, holistic and fun. I enjoy events a lot, and spiritual work. 

Edited March 2, 2023 by ValiantSalvatore

[Arcangelo]

 

13 hours ago, something_else said:

Going out hunting for sex at 11am on a Saturday in your local grocery store though.

 

Hi. I do that. All Men do...

[Arcangelo]

I go to the grocery store to buy groceries, but if I see a woman that I consider fit to be the mother of my kids, I will hunt for sex, as  you guys like to phrase it.

oh

yeah

Edited March 3, 2023 by Arcangelo

[something_else]

4 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

I go to the grocery store to buy groceries, but if I see a woman that I consider fit to be the mother of my kids, I will hunt for sex, as  you guys like to phrase it.

oh

yeah

 

 

 

I think it's fine to go and talk to girls in your grocery store occasionally. I'm talking about guys who go there specifically to approach a bunch of girls in the shop instead of actually buy groceries.

Edited March 3, 2023 by something_else

[Devin]

Whole Foods may still do it, they had Singles Nights, I think it was through the week.

Edited March 3, 2023 by Devin