Frank Yang on TOE with Curt Jaimungal Interview

[Leo Gura]

These people who get sucked into Vipassana are an embarrassment to Intelligence.

Vipassana is just another cult humans have constructed to distract from Awakening.

Buddhism is a con game.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Leo Gura

[vladorion]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These people who get sucked into Vipassana are an embarrassment to Intelligence.

Vipassana is just another cult humans have constructed to distract from Awakening.

Buddhism is a con game.

Yes. Shoving drugs up their ass is the way of the intelligent ones.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, vladorion said:

Shoving drugs up their ass is the way of the intelligent ones.

Obviously

[Juan]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These people who get sucked into Vipassana are an embarrassment to Intelligence.

Vipassana is just another cult humans have constructed to distract from Awakening.

@Leo Gura You don’t see any benefits for doing a Vipassana session?

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Juan said:

@Leo Gura You don’t see any benefits for doing a Vipassana session?

There is benefit to doing a gym session. Doesn't mean you know God.

It all boils down to an issue of misdirection. There is so much misdirection within spirituality that you don't have enough years in your life to exhaust it all. So you must be extremely careful who you follow -- that is if you care about understanding Consciousness.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Juan]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is benefit to doing a gym session. Doesn't mean you know God.

Got it, I see your point.

[Leo Gura]

Vipassana practice teaches good mindfulness skills. But that is not the same as understanding what Consciousness is or how it works.

Mindfulness is NOT enough! Not anywhere close to enough. But you should skill exercise mindfulness. The more mindful you can be the better, all else being equal. But all is not equal. You have limited resources, and once you get embroiled in the Vipassana brainwashing, it will run you. Vipassana doesn't come for free. It has a huge cost! The cost of brainwashing you into their whole worldview. It is a religion. And no religion understands God.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Juan]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Vipassana practice teaches good mindfulness skills. But that is not the same as understanding what Consciousness is or how it works.

Mindfulness is NOT enough! Not anywhere close to enough. But you should skill exercise mindfulness. The more mindful you can be the better, all else being equal. But all is not equal. You have limited resources, and once you get embroiled in the Vipassana brainwashing, it will run you. Vipassana doesn't come for free. It has a huge cost! The cost of brainwashing you into their whole worldview. It is a religion. And no religion understands God.

I get you, maybe a combination of Vipassana + psychedelics would be awesome!

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Juan said:

I get you, maybe a combination of Vipassana + psychedelics would be awesome!

Assuming you escape their brainwashing. That's a dangerous assumption though because it is subtle and clever.

A guy like Yang actually thinks he understands Consciousness using those techniques. He's not stupid. But he fell in that trap. And so will you if you aren't careful.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Juan]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Assuming you escape their brainwashing. That's a dangerous assumption though because it is subtle and clever.

I never been to a proper Vipassana so I can’t conclude on anything what they said to you if they do, what I imagine is just medidate by yourself, not talking to anyone, alone in nature and eating vegan for days or weeks. I did a demo once here where I live but it was just for a day, of course is not compare to a longer session, but I can imagine how good it would be to add a psychedelic here and there for extra magnitude performance. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Juan

[spiritual memes]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Assuming you escape their brainwashing. That's a dangerous assumption though because it is subtle and clever.

A guy like Yang actually thinks he understands Consciousness using those techniques. He's not stupid. But he fell in that trap. And so will you if you aren't careful.

Frank did 5-meo as well. 

[Yimpa]

27 minutes ago, Juan said:

I can imagine how good it would be to add a psychedelic here and there for extra magnitude performance. 

Have you done psychedelics before?

[Juan]

5 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Have you done psychedelics before?

Yes and you?

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, spiritual memes said:

Frank did 5-meo as well. 

I know. But that doesn't matter. You have to properly use your mind in the first place.

This line of logic is nonsense: "Well, I tried a bit of psychedelics, and they didn't do much for me, therefore I know better than you."

Edited March 1, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

9 minutes ago, Juan said:

Yes and you?

Yes

[Juan]

18 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Yes

[Jacob Morres]

Both leo and frank are right in their respective ways 

[Jodistrict]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

These people who get sucked into Vipassana are an embarrassment to Intelligence.

Vipassana is just another cult humans have constructed to distract from Awakening.

Buddhism is a con game.

Vipassana is nothing more than using your body feelings as an object of meditation.  Shinzen Young’s Unified Mindfulness system is based on Vipassana, with all the cultural trappings and beliefs removed.   It is a pure practice.  

https://unifiedmindfulness.com/
 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Jodistrict

[BipolarGrowth]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I know. But that doesn't matter. You have to properly use your mind in the first place.

This line of logic is nonsense: "Well, I tried a bit of psychedelics, and they didn't do much for me, therefore I know better than you."

Do you think the same might apply to your view of Vipassana or Buddhism? If you can’t go into cessation practically on command, you’re behind even some of the Western experts who are probably still missing 80%+ of Buddhism.
 

It seems like you have less experience in Buddhism than many in that system, and those operating within that framework have far less experience with psychedelics. 
 

To me, it’s seeming like the bias is going both ways. 

[BlessedLion]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is benefit to doing a gym session. Doesn't mean you know God.

It all boils down to an issue of misdirection. There is so much misdirection within spirituality that you don't have enough years in your life to exhaust it all. So you must be extremely careful who you follow -- that is if you care about understanding Consciousness.

Leo serious question here because I'm finding this to be more than true. 

 

I'm stuck between teachers right now and I think I'm at a point where I just want to follow one and go super deep. 

 

1 you, i find the quality of your teachings incredible and they have opened me up. But I find some things you say and do to be extremely ungrounded and hateful of humanity and it deters me. You also don't believe other beings are sentient which I think is a dangerous assumption. 

2 Ralston. Obviously the most conscious but his way of never stating the point in simple terms sometimes keeps my mind spinning and going in circles. He also does not teach anything on Love and sees it as a mere emotion. Big turnoff for me. 

3 Tantric Teacher. This man is from India and taught me the ropes of Kundalini God Realization Love and Energy. He has an extremely powerful aura but he is not teaching too much around metaphysics. It's more love and good vibes and he is an integrous guy. We do mostly self inquiry, he doesn't support psychedelics. In fact he's kinda like a balance between Ralston and you. 

 

So yeah. Help me out here if you can. I want to move forward wisely and these teachings and getting too conflicting in certain ways.