God's ultimate paradox

[Inliytened1]

Is God still God if he completely forgets he is God?

Ponder this carefully.   

If God forgets he is God and imagines he is some limited form - like yourself - is he still God?

Remember the groundless nature of reality.   Because reality is Infinite there is nothing outside of it that can reference it.  The Self reference problem.  It cannot point back at itself - so, it just is itself.  Or it can just be itself.

Now - if God then forgets he is Infinite, is his limitation absolutely total?

Or is there some rulebook somewhere "over there" that says he's still God and he's still Infinite?  If that's the case wouldn't that make him limited?  If so wouldn't that also be a ground? 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Inliytened1

[aurum]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If God forgets he is God and imagines he is some limited form - like yourself - is he still God?

Yes.

But from a practical POV, you will not experience yourself as God. For you, there will be no difference. Which is the whole point.

[Thought Art]

Can an infinitely creative being dream to bd such a way?

- asks human who is such a way

Edited February 24, 2023 by Thought Art

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, aurum said:

 

But from a practical POV, you will not experience yourself as God. 

You're good - but you won't catch me up in language.  That's correct you won't experience "yourself" as God.  But can you be so sure that God can't be experienced by no one?  And that it can realize itself at the level of Being and not knowing?   Can you be sure that this isn't possible?

Edited February 24, 2023 by Inliytened1

[aurum]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But can you be so sure that God can't be experienced by no one? 

It sounds like you’re trying to make a “no-self” argument.

Yes we could look at it like that. There is no one to experience God. And yet you are God and clearly can experience yourself as such.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, aurum said:

It sounds like you’re trying to make a “no-self” argument.

Yes we could look at it like that. There is no one to experience God. And yet you are God and clearly can experience yourself as such.

Ok but are you God in the moment you imagine you are a butterfly?  Who is outside of you to say you are not the butterfly? 

[aurum]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok but are you God in the moment you imagine you are a butterfly?  Who is outside of you to say you are not the butterfly? 

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here.

God is still God even when it imagines itself as a butterfly. Yes.

The fact there is nothing outside of God to tell it that it is not a butterfly is why it is able to imagine itself a butterfly in the first place.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, aurum said:

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here.

God is still God even when it imagines itself as a butterfly. Yes.

The fact there is nothing outside of God to tell it that it is not a butterfly is why it is able to imagine itself a butterfly in the first place.

This isn't just a word game.  

[aurum]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This isn't just a word game.  

So then what is your point?

It sounds like you are alluding to something but not saying it.

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, aurum said:

So then what is your point?

It sounds like you are alluding to something but not saying it.

I want to get others thoughts on the subject.   You can probably already guess mine but I will hold off until more participate.  

[Sincerity]

Interesting. I understand what You're asking.

I would say yes, since to be God = to be what IS, NOW.

Even though the finite may not recognize itself, what it IS remains unchanged. Its truth of the moment may vary --> "I am limited, I am a being, I am different from God". And yet this truth of the moment can only be experienced because Experience IS the case.

[Matthew85]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Is God still God if he completely forgets he is God?

Interesting question. Sorta a paradox. If you say yes it implies God is not omnipotent. But on some level he must know he is God, otherwise awakening wouldn't be possible. You would be locked into your limited creation of yourself forever. 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Matthew85 said:

Interesting question. Sorta a paradox. If you say yes it implies God is not omnipotent. But on some level he must know he is God, otherwise awakening wouldn't be possible. You would be locked into your limited creation of yourself forever. 

Consider possible and impossible is a duality constructed by God himself - and that he sits prior to both. 

[Inliytened1]

35 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Interesting. I understand what You're asking.

I would say yes, since to be God = to be what IS, NOW.

Even though the finite may not recognize itself, what it IS remains unchanged. Its truth of the moment may vary --> "I am limited, I am a being, I am different from God". And yet this truth of the moment can only be experienced because Experience IS the case.

We as puny humans have no idea of the power of God.  The power of God lies truly in its ability to create an illusion so total that it becomes reality.  

[Thought Art]

Please be here to do the work. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Thought Art

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Can an infinitely creative being dream to bd such a way?

- asks human who is such a way

Yes precisely 

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Please be here to do the work. 

It's fun to think about the paradoxes of God too...I'm not taking away from doing the work.  You're right- if you sit in philosophy class and think Descartes had the answers you're wrong.   Truth is found in experience  - it is found in Being.  By the same token - if you think Einstein had the answers you would also be wrong.  Science is good but at some point you must transcend and become a mystic.  

When you do you will find that all other characters in this reality were but figments of your mind.  

 

 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Thought Art]

@Inliytened1 Yeah, sure. Just stop playing dumb games.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Inliytened1 Yeah, sure. Just stop playing dumb games.

Dumb games are all we have. 

[Inliytened1]

@BipolarGrowth any opinions on God not actually being God in the moment he forgets?