Why are psychedelics illegal?

[The Mystical Man]

15 hours ago, SamC said:

They revire your brain and helps you work thorugh stuff that you've been thorugh. Studies have shown that pcilioibin are very effective at treating substance abuse and alcoholism, for example...

Why not work through your stuff while sober? That's how you have to do it in the end, anyway. You can't avoid going through withdrawal. You can't avoid your karma, which is your life.

15 hours ago, SamC said:

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about

I've tried psychedelics. I know what it's like to have "the most profound, life-changing experience of your life". But, in the end, it's not truly life-altering. In the short run, you may feel gratitude and awe. But, in the long run, psychedelics cause more suffering, because they reveal the immense contrast between your dirty psyche and pristine consciousness. Ignorance would have been preferable. You can become more mindful and self-aware as you live your life; again, that's the only way it works, anyway. In that way, the suffering might not be so overwhelming, because then you're getting what you need at the time you need it.

15 hours ago, SamC said:

to say that they don't work and don't heal people is conplete BS

People may feel as though they're healed, for they're coming in contact with the immaculate source of reality -- that which is whole and never needed healing to begin with. That's a temporary experience that can't permanently heal people. The fragmented psyche will come back. It always comes back.

15 hours ago, SamC said:

they can be used as a tool for you to realize how to get there permanently and how to trancend your fears and limitations

I don't think you need psychedelics for that. What you need is life itself.

15 hours ago, SamC said:

Psychedelics give you deep insights

Those insights are powerless without behavioral change. And what helps you change your behavior is the crucible of life. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by The Mystical Man

[The Mystical Man]

13 hours ago, something_else said:

You're very confident about something I don't think you have that much experience with, which is actually the definition of self-deception.

I am very confident in saying that man ought not to seek out the psychedelic experience. Man ought to live mindfully.

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man You are a fool to think they are different 

[The Mystical Man]

28 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@The Mystical Man You are a fool to think they are different 

To take psychedelics means to live mindfully? Is that what you're saying?

You can take psychedelics and be a mindless devil. Many are.

Edited February 25, 2023 by The Mystical Man

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man Obviously. No! Don’t be stupid. 
 

Why are you wasting your time here if you don’t practice thinking?

Living mindfully, why don’t you contemplate that? 
 

Maybe, whatever you do you live mindfully. Psychedelics are actual tools for growing yourself. If you don’t get that stop wasting our time with your foolishness. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Thought Art

[The Mystical Man]

2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

No

Then what you're saying? 

4 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Why are you wasting your time here if you don’t practice thinking?

I use this forum to refine my thinking.

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man Good! 
 

Give me something to work with when you respond. How can you equate taking psychedelics to living mindfully? Why would you even ask that?

Edited February 25, 2023 by Thought Art

[The Mystical Man]

8 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Psychedelics are actual tools for growing yourself.

Real growth is brutally difficult. In my experience, psychedelics do not facilitate growth. The greatest people on this planet aren't the product of the psychedelic experience. That should be a clue.

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man Because you are a fool. Everything you are saying is horse shit. 
 

Don’t be so reductionist 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Thought Art

[The Mystical Man]

22 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Give me something to work with when you respond.

Well, what did you mean when you said: "You are a fool to think they are different". That's what I'm trying to work with.

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How can you equate taking psychedelics to living mindfully? Why would you even ask that?

You implied it.

Edited February 26, 2023 by The Mystical Man

[The Mystical Man]

6 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Because you are a fool

Perhaps.

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise." - Blake

Edited February 25, 2023 by The Mystical Man

[Thought Art]

Essentially,

The work we are doing here is to fully awaken ourselves. This means to practice high level philosophy and embodiment of the highest principles of living a good life. 
 

When we do anything in life. We do it with intent, consciousness and love. We are mature, grounded adults. 
 

When we trip, or take psychedelics this is the same thing. It is a particular type of endeavour where you can become super fucking conscious beyond that if other people who are sober. 
 

A mindful, awake life is to do all things with wisdom and consciousness. 
 

Psychedelics are not toys, they are not just “drugs” they are serious tools for serious people. If people wanna be idiots with them, or poopoo them and not take them.. they are idiots, fools, and stupid. Frankly. Stop wasting our time here if that’s what you are gonna do. 
 

If you don’t try doing this work seriously, have the humility to say “I don’t know”. 
 

Ask questions, be here to learn, stop fucking around with jokes and stupid shit. Be constructive, do the work, come on guys. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Thought Art

[The Mystical Man]

10 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

When we do anything in life. We do it with intent, consciousness and love. We are mature, grounded adults. A mindful, awake life is to do all things with wisdom and consciousness. 

That's a great life orientation. It doesn't require the need of psychedelics, though. 

[Thought Art]

@The Mystical Man No, 

But, also it might. How would you know?

Anyway, you aren’t conscious enough to see what I’m saying. Like like when I show you one side of a coin you forget the other exists or something. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Thought Art

[Rigel]

2 hours ago, The Mystical Man said:

Why not work through your stuff while sober?

Why not work through your stuff while on psychedelics and sober? You'll be sober 97,6% of the time even if you do mushrooms every week (which is a lot). It's not like you stop doing the work as soon as you are not on psychedelics. Why not help yourself with a peek experience once in a while? That's just silly you can’t deny how psychs help people. 

[Thought Art]

It’s not an either or ordeal 

There’s no where in the universe as to what sober is

[The Mystical Man]

1 minute ago, Rigel said:

Why not help yourself with a peek experience once in a while?

Because I'm skeptical of the value of those "peak experiences", if they're induced by psychedelics.

The concept of peak experience was originally developed by Maslow. It's something that you can achieve without psychedelics, and that's when it's truly powerful and meaningful. 

[Rigel]

1 minute ago, The Mystical Man said:

It's something that you can achieve without psychedelics, and that's when it's truly powerful and meaningful. 

It's also a thing you can acheive with psychedelic. You are right in saying that you dont NEED it. But again why not help yourself? 

[Thought Art]

12 minutes ago, The Mystical Man said:

Because I'm skeptical of the value of those "peak experiences", if they're induced by psychedelics.

The concept of peak experience was originally developed by Maslow. It's something that you can achieve without psychedelics, and that's when it's truly powerful and meaningful. 

It’s more than “peak experiences”.

Like, if you don’t try you just imagine. 
 

How would you know a state of consciousness with its direct experience?

Edited February 25, 2023 by Thought Art

[The Mystical Man]

3 hours ago, Thought Art said:

How would you know?

Look at the examples. Are great men like Sadhguru and Adyashanti the result of psychedelic use? Or even people like Rowling and Lucas?

Here is an example of Rowling describing her peak experience: 

That woman is more conscious and more developed than most "spiritual people", and certainly more than anyone on this forum.

2 hours ago, Rigel said:

But again why not help yourself? 

How is that helping you? You can't escape your karma. Adya's teacher said, "You get to nirvana through samsara". That's one of those brutal teachings that are so easy to dismiss. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by The Mystical Man