What Is Space?

[Echoes]

Is space=consciousness? Are we the empty space?

[Principium Nexus]

Space-time is a construct of mind. You see relativity and seperation arises when you think/feel you have a distinct identity. When the identity fades away so do time and space literally, it is the awakening of timeless oneness.

You can try to define it with words; you could think of it as energy or atoms but what you are actually doing is defining what you think you are.

Neither do I think that empty space exists since matter is only a concept but boundless in true reality.

[jse]

4 hours ago, Echoes said:

What Is Space?

The illusory expanse, between two or more illusory reference points.

 

[Nahm]

Space gives definition to physicality. Like how silence molds a musical note. 

.....everything is consciousness disclaimer....etc

 

[Loreena]

@Nahm

5 hours ago, Nahm said:

Space gives definition to physicality. Like how silence molds a musical note. 

.....everything is consciousness disclaimer....etc

 

I agree

[PureExp]

16 hours ago, Echoes said:

Is space=consciousness? Are we the empty space?

@Principium Nexus answered it beautifully. Thanks PN.

I'd like to add the following. Why does mind construct space? The answer is - to organize contents of experience. It is its unique way of structuring the data it receives via senses (mostly from vision).

Notice that other senses are poorly located, if at all. Sounds are approximately located, touch is fuzzy, taste and smell are not located. This may not be the case for other minds, e.g. perhaps a dog can locate a smell in space and run towards it (I really don't know, but possible).

Other kinds of minds may form different structures to organize the experiences. Notice that our mind is not so good at it. A space that is too small or too big cannot be comprehended. Most of us do not understand the huge space between earth and the moon, or the sun. They appear flat in the sky. We can't grasp how small a virus is. We need to scale everything into a narrow dimension on paper etc to roughly know it. So perhaps mind fails after a few km and few microns. We are good within a range of say few meters, and that has evolutionary reasons.

Notice that non-sensory content (thoughts, imaginations, memories, emotions and all that) are not localized at all. Why? There is no need. This produces the illusion of "in-here" and "out-there". If you see it as a whole, not dividing it up, you will see that everything is created in mind, there is no "out" or "in".

Edit: Are we space? Is consciousness = space? Obviously no. It is that which experiences space.

Edited March 8, 2017 by PureExp

[Principium Nexus]

@PureExp Nice addition! You can actually follow the smell of freshly baked bread to the bakery if you try hard (close range ofcourse). It's a trail to the source, and if you follow that trail you basically walk into the past of how the wind flow changed that 'space' over time. It can for example go around a corner so you know how the wind blew. We don't use this or think about this at all in normal life but several hundred years ago it was useful for hunting.

I always wonder if there is not something like a perception limit of scales. For example we live at our human level of perception, than there is the micro and the macro. Both ends we walk against some unknowable perception wall, either knowing how the entire universe looks like or how the smallest fundamentals look like.

Could it be that because we live at this level of perception and reality, this can only make sense because we cannot look any deeper? I think that defining limits this all-knowing/all-seeing view since otherwise there wouldn't be any descrete point of view.

I don't know if I make any sense here but I hope you guys understand ?

 

[PureExp]

@Principium Nexus Yes I understand you.

I agree that limiting perception is a necessity if the infinite self wants to experience something discrete.

Its not only a few hundred or thousand years ago, the space started forming in mind millions of years ago. It is useful to know how much to move and in which direction. "How much" is proportional to the amount of energy needed (or change one must produce), and "direction" is a concept that defines which muscles to move. These two parameters define space. Space is imposed on visual data.

I know its short and confusing, but the whole explanation will take many pages. I can't type it all here. Its a very-very interesting subject.

[PureExp]

Ok as an aside, here is an interesting introspection (self-enquiry) on space.

Just look at a big mirror. The ones that are wall to wall, like in a big bathroom work best.

What do you see? What do you experience?

Of course, you see the whole room on the other side of the mirror. It is flipped, but it is essentially the original. You see exactly the same space in mirror you'd normally see in a "real" room. 3D, vivid, bright.. very real. You don't really see the mirror (if its clean), you see a spacious room.

Now try to touch the objects in mirror, its silly, but do it. You will find that there is this hard surface there, there is no space !

Your hand will not go through the mirror and grab the object no matter what you do. There is no space, no distance. Where is the space that you see in the mirror?

Well, its somewhat surprising if you are new to this, but the only conclusion is - space is only in the mind. The mirror reflects the light (a signal that carries information) and the space gets created out of that data.

Now you know, its your direct experience that there is no space in "world out there".

[Loreena]

you are nothing

[Principium Nexus]

They should make a HBO series about this stuff, maybe in a sage style and with shamanism and stuff Would be so interesting to watch.

[Visitor]

Uncreated light.

[jse]

On 08/03/2017 at 0:42 AM, Echoes said:

What Is Space?

Something that there is never enough of.
 

[ajasatya]

@Echoes space/time, reality, matter, spirit, consciousness, truth, god...

these are ineffable concepts. there's nothing to do about them.

train your mind to live in the present moment and be free from anxiety/remorse. that's all...

[jse]

1 hour ago, ajasatya said:

@Echoes space/time, reality, matter, spirit, consciousness, truth, god...
these are ineffable concepts. there's nothing to do about them.
train your mind to live in the present moment and be free from anxiety/remorse. that's all...

Yeah, good luck with that when desperately searching for a parking space, while you are late for your dental appointment. 

[Loreena]

@jse And especially when folks are discussing DinguPorn

[Principium Nexus]

@Loreena What is that lol? ?

[ajasatya]

@jse don't be late