Is Tate right about age 25+ women?

[Danioover9000]

@StarStruck

On 2/13/2023 at 10:55 PM, StarStruck said:

Don’t shoot the messenger. I think he is right. But that is just my direct experience. 

But sometimes I do feel like I should give a 25 something a chance just for the sake of being open minded. 

Quality girls are already cuffed before the age of 25. If she is past 30 I can guarantee she has some weird quirks. Guys won’t let a quality girl reach 25.

I met a 25 year old girl today and she was fine as hell but obviously past her prime. Little bit shy and she is a waiter. It is just very fucking rare to meet a girl 25+ that has the full package + not crazy + no weird quirks + no total mess. 

   Whilst it's a simplification, Andrew Tate, depending on the context, is right. This begs the question though: Because he's right, does this mean that you then adopt his worlsview?

[Bobby_2021]

7 hours ago, something_else said:

Does it not seem like a red flag to you that you compulsively need a girl to be completely submissive to you in a relationship?

No. 

[Devin]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Lol this channel.

It has videos like "men should not get touch with their feelings" (even though it's an importent part of them being able to master their feelings and navigate in the world) and "protect the patriarchy" (as if it does any good to society, environment, raising the collective level of consciousness) and "men feminists are dangerous" (because sexists and chauvinists are lovely sages who have never harmed anyone) or "romance is dying in the west" (finally, it's so toxic anyways).

What a high quality content for YT. Where do you find all these gems? I want to know so I can warn people from serious intellectual damage.

 

Here.

 

[integral]

No idea what this thread is about but this is my answer top shelf advice:

Your going to date a green girl and your going to stop caring 100% about looks, your going to get your basic needs met (thats the point), your going to developed feminine intelligence along he way allowing you to stop focusing on men/women dynamics and do other things in your life.

Overjoyed by this new perspective youll have, for free from the illusion of YOU vs Women struggle you'll be.

If the first attempt fails try again, the second time will be a lot easier, youll be prepared with less attachment and needs. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by integral

[integral]

On 2/13/2023 at 5:55 PM, StarStruck said:

But sometimes I do feel like I should give a 25 something a chance just for the sake of being open minded. 

Quality girls are already cuffed before the age of 25. If she is past 30 I can guarantee she has some weird quirks. Guys won’t let a quality girl reach 25.

I met a 25 year old girl today and she was fine as hell but obviously past her prime. Little bit shy and she is a waiter. It is just very fucking rare to meet a girl 25+ that has the full package + not crazy + no weird quirks + no total mess. 

Every bit of this is deeply un-important. At the end of the day you need to live with this person for years, who give a shit about anything but your mental compatibility with them. 

There are only people at the end of the day.

I've been with women way over 50 and its all exactly the same, the entire experience identical, your having a person experience with another person.

I cant believe what I'm reading are you able to form deep connections with people? If all your connections are shallow then of course all that matters are superficial qualities.

 

Ah.. ok i get it, you have to many options. So the ego created a new story, a new situation, a new problem. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by integral

[something_else]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

No. 

It is compulsive/complete, I don’t know what other words to use. You’re either equals in the relationship or you’re not.

It’s one thing to play with power dynamics when you’re flirting/fucking, but if you have the desire for those dynamics to extend into day-to-day life (and important relationship decisions) there’s a good chance that’s not coming from a healthy place.

Hell, that’s the dynamic that causes domestic abuse

Edited February 27, 2023 by something_else

[Devin]

You're acting like we're saying this relationship works great for everyone, we're in no way implying that.

We're talking about this for ourselves; loving, compassionate, thoughtful men.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Devin

[Bobby_2021]

8 hours ago, something_else said:

It is compulsive/complete

It is not.

8 hours ago, something_else said:

I don’t know what other words to use.

Then don't use other words please. 

You are using other words to add crap on top of what I said & I have nothing to do with it.

If I used any adjectives, it was "mildly". But hey, you see what you want to see. 

It seems like you love being triggered by your own words projecting to me as if I have said it lol. 

Don't let me get in the way.

5 hours ago, Lila9 said:

There is no such a thing as genuinely loving, compassionate and thoughtful man who wants a submissive woman

I beg to differ.

5 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Such men as described sees women as equals and are willing to meet their needs equally

I assure you that I will not let a single need of my women go unmet. I will go above and beyond to make sure they are met.

6 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I was in powerless positions in my life and was abused because of that. As a child, as an adolescent and as a very young woman.

I am sorry for what you have gone through. And I hope you recover soon from that trauma. 

However your experiences are not the same for other women. 

Think of it like this: In a corporation different people have to do different work to make sure that it stays in business. For this purpose the employee has to obey the orders of their boss and finish the tasks they are assigned. Enforcing equality on this scenario as if everyone has to work on equal things is not the correct strategy.

And yes, some employees are abused and exploited in the work place. This is not the scenario for majority of the employees.

Not everyone grew up in privileged environments that you could entertain liberal notions like equality in relationships. Such are merely out of touch luxury beliefs. 

7 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Submissiveness associates with powerlessness for me, and wanting a woman to submit to you is to want her to give up her power and allow men to use her according to their own judgement, which in 99% won't be to her favor but satisfying their own needs at her expense. Abusers are drawn to powerless women. Women should have some power to protect themselves in an imperfect world, or they will attract toxic men.

 

You past experiences have severely biased your views of men, in general. 

A leader is in a position of power that he can choose to abuse his followers if he chooses to. But a honorable man will not. 

Which is why I often warn women to not submit to every other man they see and to exercise a consequence approach to dating. They call me too controlling for saying it and then end up assholes who abuse her. This distorts your perception of men.

If you want men to treat women as equals, then women must also treat men as equals. This almost never happens. Women always prefer want a strong man who is better than her in whatever metrics she is interested in, whether be it experience, decisiveness, money, IQ etc. 

Women will say they prefer older men. When I say they prefer younger women, suddenly everyone looks at me like I am hitler, even though what I said is exactly as same as the women said, from my perspective. 

[Emerald]

13 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

No. 

What do you think the experience of being with a truly submissive woman is like in the context of a relationship?

I can see how that would be fun in the bedroom and in playful romantic dynamics.

But living inside that dynamic doesn’t sound appealing from either side. 

As a woman, it honestly sounds pretty boring at best and frustrating/powerless at worst.

I have found that most men who talk a great deal about wanting their partners to be submissive to them tend to feel inadequate in their own masculinity.

And they tend to see having an attractive submissive girlfriend mostly as a form of status to prove their worth among other guys to redeem themselves of this perceived masculine inadequacy.

And because of this feeling of inadequacy, they will want to make a woman lesser only so he can be greater by contrast. This helps him feel more secure.

This is in contrast to a man who develops himself into the best person he can be, who naturally attracts a woman who is his equal that complements his deeper version of masculinity with her deeper version of femininity.

[StarStruck]

Another gem of a speech from Andrew Tate:

Being submissive to your man doesn't just mean you bend over backward to him. It is about accepting your man as the leader of your life in the context of a relationship. A ship can't have two captains.

Being submissive versus dominating has to do with the power dynamic in the relationship.

This power dynamic changes as a man reaches his peak and a female leaves her peak, as Tate explains in that video.

A lot of females have trouble accepting this hence the toxicity.

[Michal__]

Or just have relationships based on whatever the people in the relationship perceive as the best way and stop telling people how their relationships should work.

Only people who should advise in these things are those with lots and lots of deep experience (one night stands or a long crappy marriage don't count as deep experience).

[something_else]

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Then don't use other words please. 

You are using other words to add crap on top of what I said & I have nothing to do with it.

If I used any adjectives, it was "mildly". But hey, you see what you want to see. 

It seems like you love being triggered by your own words projecting to me as if I have said it lol. 

Don't let me get in the way.

 

Then explain to me what you mean by mildly submissive?

[something_else]

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

Being submissive to your man doesn't just mean you bend over backward to him. It is about accepting your man as the leader of your life in the context of a relationship. A ship can't have two captains

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever had a great friendship where neither of you were really 'captain' and both of you treated each other as equals? They are the best friendships. Imagine you were going around only looking for submissive friends who you could dominate? That would absolutely be a red flag, and a sign of an insecurity.

It's similar with relationships. You can absolutely have relationships where you both view each other as equals and no one is the captain of the entire relationship. Relationships don't really need a 'leader' beyond when you're fucking and flirting, and yea, in those circumstances, the power dynamics are fun as fuck. But they should not extend into the deeper parts of the relationship.

Like, what decisions are you even planning on making for your 'submissive' girl?

Edited February 28, 2023 by something_else

[StarStruck]

@something_else I didn't say people weren't equals. For example in a commercial company everybody is equal but there is an undeniable power play. Just because everybody is equal doesn't mean there is a power play and transference of value. Especially for females who are hypergamous. Personally I'm not looking to dominate people. I'm not in such a stage of my life for now.

Edited February 28, 2023 by StarStruck

[something_else]

29 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

@something_else I didn't say people weren't equals.

 

But is that not really just what submissive means?

30 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

For example in a commercial company everybody is equal but there is an undeniable power play.

 

They aren't really equal. They are paid differently specifically because there are not treated as equals. You are submissive to your boss and you're below them in the hierarchy, not equal. It works for companies because they must be cold and rational, but that's no way to run healthy personal relationships or friendships.

32 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Just because everybody is equal doesn't mean there is a power play and transference of value. Especially for females who are hypergamous

 

Transfer of value is not the same as submissive vs dominant. You can both provide value to the other without someone needing to be in charge.

33 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Personally I'm not looking to dominate people. I'm not in such a stage of my life for now.

 

But you also say you want a submissive girl. Is that not a desire for control and domination?

[Devin]

No one is saying they want a slave.

          Basic gender norms are being ignored here; men want their women to be happy and well cared for, women like to give their input on decisions but don't like making medium to large decisions in general. Men generally don't care about small things, women do and like making these choices. Healthy men cherish their woman and would never put their own needs in front of hers, but the man is still the one that leads, makes the decision or whatever.

          Many women are not brainwashed by post-modernists to believe different than this, they already want this dynamic and see the flow and harmony with it.

[StarStruck]

@something_else did you really say that you are submissive to your boss? In what kind of kinky office do you work?

 

[something_else]

8 minutes ago, Devin said:

No one is saying they want a slave.

          Basic gender norms are being ignored here; men want their women to be happy and well cared for, women like to give their input on decisions but don't like making medium to large decisions in general. Men generally don't care about small things, women do and like making these choices. Healthy men cherish their woman and would never put their own needs in front of hers, but the man is still the one that leads, makes the decision or whatever.

          Many women are not brainwashed by post-modernists to believe different than this, they already want this dynamic and see the flow and harmony with it.

 

 

There's so, so much generalisation here. Just because something has been a norm for a long time doesn't mean it's healthy either.

It's not even that women being submissive in a relationship is bad, it's possible for that to be healthy when it happens in stage blue cultures naturally.

The problem arises when you have guys in Western green/orange cultures who want to seek out 'submissive' women who are still in that blue stage of development. It's toxic because the reason they desire that is essentially overcompensation for insecurity.

2 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

@something_else did you really say that you are submissive to your boss? In what kind of kinky office do you work?

 

 

 

 

 

You realise that submissive has non-sexual meaning, right? The definition is "ready to conform to the authority or will of others" which is exactly the relationship between a boss and employee generally. You do what they tell you.

[Devin]

18 minutes ago, something_else said:

There's so, so much generalisation here. Just because something has been a norm for a long time doesn't mean it's healthy either.

It's not even that women being submissive in a relationship is bad, it's possible for that to be healthy when it happens in stage blue cultures naturally.

The problem arises when you have guys in Western green/orange cultures who want to seek out 'submissive' women who are still in that blue stage of development. It's toxic because the reason they desire that is essentially overcompensation for insecurity.

You realise that submissive has non-sexual meaning, right? The definition is "ready to conform to the authority or will of others" which is exactly the relationship between a boss and employee generally. You do what they tell you.

  A heavily green person won't be seeking this dynamic, that's the opposite of green. Heavily Orange would be inclined to become what most would see as at least mildly abusive or at least a one sided relationship, that's not being recommended here. No one is saying this is how all relationships should be.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Devin

[something_else]

13 minutes ago, Devin said:

No one is saying this is how all relationships should be, if they're both solidly green the man usually needs to be effeminate and submissive.

 

No! No one needs to be submissive in healthy relationships, lol. You should drop this idea that one person always needs to be in charge. Relationships should be as equal as you can make them.

The polarity of masculine/feminine is important, but framing it as dominant/submissive for anything other than sex is not healthy.