There are TWICE as many single men age 18-29 than women

[Raze]

What’s even more shocking is in 2012, there were twice as many single women age 18-29

the only reasonable explanations are

1) younger women are dating older men

2) many women are dating the same men

[something_else]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

younger women are dating older men

I would say this probably contributes a significant amount. By the time a woman is late twenties there is a huge amount of social pressure to not be single, and age gap stats suggest the husband/partner is likely to be a older.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

Says that ~25% of husbands are 4-9 years older than their wives which would account for the stats you showed here. 
 

The gaps are probably filled in with situationships where the woman says they’re together but the guy says they’re not and it’s just casual. Or some guys having multiple partners like you say. There’s prob also an element of woman being discouraged from admitting they’re single while men being praised for it affecting stats.

[Raze]

4 hours ago, something_else said:

I would say this probably contributes a significant amount. By the time a woman is late twenties there is a huge amount of social pressure to not be single, and age gap stats suggest the husband/partner is likely to be a older.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

Says that ~25% of husbands are 4-9 years older than their wives which would account for the stats you showed here. 
 

The gaps are probably filled in with situationships where the woman says they’re together but the guy says they’re not and it’s just casual. Or some guys having multiple partners like you say. There’s prob also an element of woman being discouraged from admitting they’re single while men being praised for it affecting stats.

The only problem is that should have also been the case in 2012, yet the data shows in 2012 the rate of single women age 18-29 was about the same as men. There has been a huge shift.

[something_else]

22 minutes ago, Raze said:

The only problem is that should have also been the case in 2012, yet the data shows in 2012 the rate of single women age 18-29 was about the same as men. There has been a huge shift.

Oh I didn’t even notice that, sorry, that’s very interesting.

Thats a pretty insane charge. Like the kind of change that would restructure a country’s society if it were accurate and happened in such a short time, which kinda makes me instinctively question the stats there.

When I did my own googling (which is admittedly on my phone at 3am and I’m possibly missing something) I found this page which has, I think, contradictory stats that sound more reasonable? They use govt data which is probably somewhat more reliable than an independent survey

https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/brown-manning-relationship-status-trends-age-gender-fp-21-25.html

Edited February 12, 2023 by something_else

[Hardkill]

Rejection rates for most men around the world have kept going up for several years now.

This is getting to be very concerning.
 

[Ulax]

Guessing its probably because of instagram and dating apps.]

My thoughts would be that guys in their 30s are most attractive to women. So, women prefer to go for them.

But before they'd have to settle for who was accessible to them, i.e. the young guns. If so, lucky bastards if they were in their 20s before social media, and then in there 30s when social media came out.

Or i guess, maybe there are just hella lesbians living it up these days lol

[Emerald]

It’s a bit difficult to believe these stats.

But perhaps more women are dating other women or non-binary people… or older men… or are involved in polyamorous relationships.

Or perhaps women are more likely to label their relationships as relationships, where men might want to avoid seeing their relationship as a relationship to avoid feelings of obligation.

But I suspect that a lot of the Andrew Tate, Red Pill, manosphere stuff has created a lot of this singleness problem for young men where they end up developing mindsets and narratives that are untenable for developing healthy relationships… and chasing away potential mates using the methods that “experts” tell them to use to attract potential mates.

[P Michael]

7 minutes ago, Emerald said:

But I suspect that a lot of the Andrew Tate, Red Pill, manosphere stuff has created a lot of this singleness problem for young men where they end up developing mindsets and narratives that are untenable for developing healthy relationships… and chasing away potential mates using the methods that “experts” tell them to use to attract potential mates.

The singleness problem comes before the red pill. 

[StarStruck]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

It’s a bit difficult to believe these stats.

But perhaps more women are dating other women or non-binary people… or older men… or are involved in polyamorous relationships.

Or perhaps women are more likely to label their relationships as relationships, where men might want to avoid seeing their relationship as a relationship to avoid feelings of obligation.

But I suspect that a lot of the Andrew Tate, Red Pill, manosphere stuff has created a lot of this singleness problem for young men where they end up developing mindsets and narratives that are untenable for developing healthy relationships… and chasing away potential mates using the methods that “experts” tell them to use to attract potential mates.

Yea, it is all the fault of men.. 

 

[supremeyingyang]

@StarStruck

 

My on the run interpretation is that men are less likely to work on themselfs compared with 2012 and women are more likely to enjoy freedom with dating apps and polyamory (with social encouragement in western urban areas, you go girl!).

The political implication of this are unsure, maybe some conservative parties in some countries will target these men?

Then again we saw an other statistic postey by @something_else

Like every good scientific article I conclued my pseudo scientific rambling with the magic words - There needs to be more research to give a reliable answer to describe what is going on in a given population.

Edited February 12, 2023 by supremeyingyang

[supremeyingyang]

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

Yea, it is all the fault of men.. 

 

The black women is on point, she is not even that hot, but I'd prefer her way over the rest because she has a growth mindset.

The blonde one who is in the introduction is hilarious: Was dating a russian hacker, who used her to date to her friend and said he'd kill her. She called the cops, a couple years later he is thankful, because they said they put him on medication and now he is a profi boxer and now the are on good terms... wtf? Which percentage of men you'd date? Answer: My bar is pretty low. (...) I try everything at least once ;'D -- open minded fo sure!

Edited February 12, 2023 by supremeyingyang

[StarStruck]

18 minutes ago, supremeyingyang said:

@StarStruck

 

My on the run interpretation is that men are less likely to work on themselfs compared with 2012 and women are more likely to enjoy freedom with dating apps and polyamory (with social encouragement in western urban areas, you go girl!).

The political implication of this are unsure, maybe some conservative parties in some countries will target these men?

Then again we saw an other statistic postey by @something_else

Like every good scientific article I conclued my pseudo scientific rambling with the magic words - There needs to be more research to give a reliable answer to describe what is going on in a given population.

Dating apps are skewed against men if you aren't in the top 20%.

I just go out and there are tons of hot girls out there in the club and outside of the club.

If you are ok looking and talkative without any weird quirks, it is not that bad out here.

There are shit tons of hot girls but not that many quality men because you have to work on yourself to become one. To be a hot girl, you don't have to do anything.

[supremeyingyang]

33 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Dating apps are skewed against men if you aren't in the top 20%.

True.

33 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

I just go out and there are tons of hot girls out there in the club and outside of the club.

True.

33 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

If you are ok looking and talkative without any weird quirks, it is not that bad out here.

True.

33 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

There are shit tons of hot girls but not that many quality men because you have to work on yourself to become one. To be a hot girl, you don't have to do anything.

You gotta do something as a women to become and remain attractive - even at age 19. But it comes (maybe through social pressure and fo sho because of the biology) more naturally and earlier in a womans life compared with a man. However, there are downsides. Group pressures, focus on appearances and oustracizing those who not commit to that mission in high school..

I'd bring trickery through make up and the like into the conversation. Believe me, there are not tons of hot girls in that age range, but more than men. From Gollum to Galadriel in 45 Minutes, I prefered women I dated from there on with light to no make up. If they look good without, you'd be amazed how awesome they look with makeup on a rare event.

 

Edit: I hate night game and matter of fact I get to know enough girls just by normal socializing. However I'm in a relationship AND I'm at the magical age of 31, so... If I'd be dating again I'd be one people would be mad of. I remember a 19y/o friend dating a 40 y/o man and bring him to gatherings, it was weird as fuck.

Edited February 12, 2023 by supremeyingyang

[kamwalker]

8 hours ago, Emerald said:

It’s a bit difficult to believe these stats.

But perhaps more women are dating other women or non-binary people… or older men… or are involved in polyamorous relationships.

Or perhaps women are more likely to label their relationships as relationships, where men might want to avoid seeing their relationship as a relationship to avoid feelings of obligation.

But I suspect that a lot of the Andrew Tate, Red Pill, manosphere stuff has created a lot of this singleness problem for young men where they end up developing mindsets and narratives that are untenable for developing healthy relationships… and chasing away potential mates using the methods that “experts” tell them to use to attract potential mates.

...The red pill stuff has started going mainstream BECAUSE of stats like this. Not the other way around. Young men were getting frustrated at the lack of attention from the opposite sex and found something that they felt understood and explained what they were going through (it doesn't actually help though...some of the RP stuff is true but it won't help these kids get any better with women sadly) 

To me it comes mostly down to social media/dating apps and also that it has become more difficult to live independently. Guys in their 20's are living at home longer and because most of them won't stand out on a dating app it has become increasingly difficult to find partners. A dating app profile is very similar to a job resume these days. The older guys have better resumes and are seen as more desirable. Guys who are 30+ who keep themselves in good shape and have a nice job have access to these 20-27 year old girls now when in the past they probably wouldn't have without going out to a night club. It has made it much harder for the younger guys to compete as a result. 

Edited February 12, 2023 by kamwalker

[Leo Gura]

You can't get laid if you are sitting online all day.

[D2sage]

49 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

The older guys have better resumes and are seen as more desirable. Guys who are 30+ who keep themselves in good shape and have a nice job have access to these 20-27 year old girls now when in the past they probably wouldn't have without going out to a night club

Truth has been spoken.  Well said.

30 is prime for men if they know how to think properly.

I'm 30 and man does it feel good to just go shopping for groceries and getting ego boosted by turning heads and stares from the young cashiers.

Being handsome Albanian might also help.

I keept a strict lifestyle. Only water, never alcohol. 

I'm dating a younger women now and man does it feel great to be in the bar and bump into ladies that rejected me in the past. Was depressed in my twenties due to this. And all those feelings now have transformed into something of a nice feeling. 

I am so glad i am 30. Now the fun beginns

Edited February 12, 2023 by D2sage

[Jacob Morres]

Yeah dude and 30% of Americans are obese but it takes a couple months to lose weight 

The average person makes less than $20 yet there's so many certifications in many fields u can get in 6 months where the entry level is higher than that 

Just grind and ull get there in a year 

Don't worry about these silly stats they're so easy to beat 

Edited February 12, 2023 by Jacob Morres

[Jacob Morres]

@Emerald  

 

 You ever see those videos of girls trying out guys tinder profiles?

 It's actually extremely challenging for the average guy to even land a single date

 It's a ton of effort for just a single date that will probably be lower than your league

Can take weeks if not months 

Without a phenomenal profile/system ofc 

 It'll be quite eye-opening ??

Edited February 13, 2023 by Jacob Morres

[Hardkill]

17 hours ago, Emerald said:

It’s a bit difficult to believe these stats.

But perhaps more women are dating other women or non-binary people… or older men… or are involved in polyamorous relationships.

Or perhaps women are more likely to label their relationships as relationships, where men might want to avoid seeing their relationship as a relationship to avoid feelings of obligation.

But I suspect that a lot of the Andrew Tate, Red Pill, manosphere stuff has created a lot of this singleness problem for young men where they end up developing mindsets and narratives that are untenable for developing healthy relationships… and chasing away potential mates using the methods that “experts” tell them to use to attract potential mates.

At the same time, more women in western societies are become less relationship material, because most women in countries like the US, Britain, or Canada these days don't know how to behave in a feminine manner due the amount of the ever increasing amount of equal rights and pay that women, particularly those from the younger generations, in these countries have been experiencing. 

Even though, I am all for equal rights and equal pay for all women, this growing sense of equality that have had women in countries like US has influence them to behave in a more masculine manner. Most women in 1st countries these days have grown up believing that because they can now do just about everything that men can do and can become about as successful as men, they never learned how to become compliant and respectful with men in any kind of relationship.

That's why there have so many women out these days who have a terrible attitude around men, act like spoiled brats, and get too controlling. This ruins the gender polarity needed to make attraction and relationships work between men and women.

Of course most men in 1st world societies are also very much responsible for this because of how weak, lazy, and entitled they've become in their own ways. 

This is one big reason why more people in western societies have been getting divorces and why more families are breaking apart. It also one major reason why more and more men and women are becoming miserable in the relationships they are in.

[Karmadhi]

Because of the liberalization of the dating market.

In the past it used to be a lot more socialist, 1 girl for 1 guy, no guy got left behind and most guys did not sleep with many girls.

Now, we have situations where 1 guy can sleep with 20 girls which are all loyal to him, leaving 19 guys dry.

It is basically like the typical ruthless capitalism where 1 percent of the people control half the wealth (not this bad but you get the point).

This is further made worse by things like Online Dating where it is very easy for a high value guy to get laid a lot.

Now you need to become a high value guy, otherwise you are fucked. No arrange marriage to save you.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Karmadhi