Gaining success without developing ego

[StarStruck]

9 minutes ago, Eternal Unity said:

@StarStruck Ok, yeah, your right I contradicted myself. Let me try again. Negative karma DOES exist at a certain STAGE of awakening - Tier 1. After that karma dissolves and is Equal to Zero. You enter Tier 2 - A new cycle of karma kicks in - Positive Karma. when you graduate Turquoise - Karma is infinite. Sadguru is there. Leo is close.

I am exactly between Green and Yellow, So my personal situation is that of 0 karmic debt.

I guess I understand it better now. So karmic debt dissolves at SD stage yellow. So you are not there fully I guess. 

But telling me karma doesn't exist, I don't know how useful that is. I guess I know what you mean, it is just a layer of maya but still. If I decide at this moment that karma doesn't exist, it doesn't mean it will disappear.

What about that sadhguru quote. I don't get how that fits into your story.

[Matthew85]

@StarStruck There are a lot of distorted beliefs and teachings about the ego. I love my ego. The ego is not something to kill or get rid of. The ego needs to evolve and expand. 

[Eternal Unity]

@Matthew85 Right!

[Eternal Unity]

@StarStruck Yes, i'm not yet.

16 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

you are not there fully I guess.

To say karma doesn't exist is a derivative of Free Universal Will, God's Will, and The Freedom of the Soul

The sadguru quote - some student asked him about why there's no karma for the enlightened being and sadhguru said the opposite - An enlightened being has immense karma. it's on YouTube.

[Matthew85]

@Eternal Unity

[_Archangel_]

@StarStruckyour post made me think of Vagabond

Edited February 12, 2023 by _Archangel_

[Breakingthewall]

On 12/2/2023 at 9:35 PM, StarStruck said:

Fighting against somebody stronger is very humbling. Especially if they are younger. I'm training for 3 months now and I'm able to beat the most of the guys in the beginners groups but there are some guys who are younger and stronger.. but that is not weird, they have been training for years.

What people told me is that I'm a strong guy but I need to dose my punches better, develop steady volume of punches instead doing power punches all the time. I have hard time doing this. Going to boxing classes is like doing psycho therapy on myself. I discovered I lack a lot of self-knowledge/awareness/mindfulness.

if you want to learn to box, you have to put your ego aside. You have to look at how you do it and others do it, understand the dynamics of combat, both physical and mental, you have to identify your mistakes and what you do best. Learn from others that are better than you, fighting with them. you have to be absolutely humble in order not to get stuck. you have to watch yourself and polish yourself like a metal, little by little, enjoying the process, enjoying the movement, becoming more perfect every minute, micron by micron. and you also have to make that situation normal for you, if you get hit, be able to don't break down, be patient, keep looking for your chance. Not easy at all

all this is very instructive for many other fields of life

Edited February 14, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

On 2/11/2023 at 7:17 AM, StarStruck said:

My priority is to defeat the ego in this stage of my life. 

The “you“ who wants to defeat the ego, is also imagined. 

[VeganAwake]

@StarStruck Hi there,

The ego is the entire sense of self construct, the important ME character.

There isn't a you and then another thing called your ego, they are the same illusion of self just in different clothing(wolf/sheep).

In other words, that which attempts to transcend the ego, is the ego itself.

The ego is the entire experience of "I am real and something is lacking or incomplete and I need to figure out what that is and fix it.

There is nothing right or wrong with the physical body earning fame/success......the ego/self is that which claims it as "MY success". 

If you look close enough at this claimer of success(me) which is never satisfied, it's unreality can be recognized.

♥ 

[StarStruck]

21 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

if you want to learn to box, you have to put your ego aside. You have to look at how you do it and others do it, understand the dynamics of combat, both physical and mental, you have to identify your mistakes and what you do best. Learn from others that are better than you, fighting with them. you have to be absolutely humble in order not to get stuck. you have to watch yourself and polish yourself like a metal, little by little, enjoying the process, enjoying the movement, becoming more perfect every minute, micron by micron. and you also have to make that situation normal for you, if you get hit, be able to don't break down, be patient, keep looking for your chance. Not easy at all

all this is very instructive for many other fields of life

I got into boxing due to Andrew Tate. I think people who are boxers have a certain mindset. It is very valuable to have. But like you said in your own words, it is power, not force.

5 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

@StarStruck Hi there,

The ego is the entire sense of self construct, the important ME character.

There isn't a you and then another thing called your ego, they are the same illusion of self just in different clothing(wolf/sheep).

In other words, that which attempts to transcend the ego, is the ego itself.

The ego is the entire experience of "I am real and something is lacking or incomplete and I need to figure out what that is and fix it.

There is nothing right or wrong with the physical body earning fame/success......the ego/self is that which claims it as "MY success". 

If you look close enough at this claimer of success(me) which is never satisfied, it's unreality can be recognized.

♥ 

This is what I was looking for: thanks.

So I should be watchful that my ego doesn't claim the success.

Which will be difficult because I have a lot of ego: and the only way to unwind it is through self-observation.

[Ulax]

@StarStruck If you want to humble yourself, try and seek out communities that contain experts in the fields you are working on.

For example, the first club i boxed at as one of the top amateur boxing clubs at my country. And there were professional fighters there, and amateur boxers way better than me. Plus there was a culture of respect. Even the top guys were not prideful but solemn, humble, and dedicated.

It gave me perspective. Later, when i joined another club, where there was a lot of egos, I kept humble the whole time. Even when i became arguably the best there.

Also, you could constantly review your progress in the craft. Make your progress dependent on developing skills rather than the results you get. I.e. working on getting your jab to the body excellent, rather than beating the other person.

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Although, i don't think developing an ego is something to necessarily to be avoided. It could be a fun thing to explore, and also an interesting way to understand how pride shapes one's relationship to reality.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Ulax

[StarStruck]

22 minutes ago, Ulax said:

@StarStruck If you want to humble yourself, try and seek out communities that contain experts in the fields you are working on.

For example, the first club i boxed at as one of the top amateur boxing clubs at my country. And there were professional fighters there, and amateur boxers way better than me. Plus there was a culture of respect. Even the top guys were not prideful but solemn, humble, and dedicated.

It gave me perspective. Later, when i joined another club, where there was a lot of egos, I kept humble the whole time. Even when i became arguably the best there.

Also, you could constantly review your progress in the craft. Make your progress dependent on developing skills rather than the results you get. I.e. working on getting your jab to the body excellent, rather than beating the other person.

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Although, i don't think developing an ego is something to necessarily to be avoided. It could be a fun thing to explore, and also an interesting way to understand how pride shapes one's relationship to reality.

Growth mindset versus fixed mindset. Carol Dweck talks about it. I have insane amounts of fixed mindset and sometimes I only notice it when others point it out and then I still don't get it.

For example I don't move my shoulders enough when I punch. My shoulders are locked up and the trainer and other guys are explaining it and I still don't get it. Pff. It is frustrating.

[Ulax]

9 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Growth mindset versus fixed mindset. Carol Dweck talks about it. I have insane amounts of fixed mindset and sometimes I only notice it when others point it out and then I still don't get it.

For example I don't move my shoulders enough when I punch. My shoulders are locked up and the trainer and other guys are explaining it and I still don't get it. Pff. It is frustrating.

@StarStruck Yes dude. I think having a growth mindset is insanely useful.

Btw I'd recommend the YouTube site 'Precision striking' for learning boxing technique. You can search through his old vids for loads of stuff,

Edited February 15, 2023 by Ulax

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

got into boxing due to Andrew Tate. I think people who are boxers have a certain mindset. It is very valuable to have. But like you said in your own words, it is power, not force.

On 12/2/2023 at 9:35 PM, StarStruck said:

 

 

Most of the boxers I know are toxic, bloated turkeys who seek to validate themselves by extolling their masculinity through fighting. but most people of everything else are also similar, so it is what it is. The question is whether you can face boxing seriously without inflating your ego when you win and deflating it when you lose. It doesn't matter winning or losing, just the dance. order in chaos, the pure instinct that develops the technique learned unconsciously, automatically, to be fearless in the danger. It's extremely beautiful.  Nobody is going to give you money for boxing, so why such nonsense about winning? but to be honest, i didn't arrive totally to this point. at least I realized my idiocy when my ego fluctuated, that's already a step. You have to polish your idiocy little by little, since we all have it very attached . I had to stop due to two cervical herniations, otherwise I think I would get it

Edited February 15, 2023 by Breakingthewall