Gaining success without developing ego

[StarStruck]

It is damn hard not to develop ego. Lately I have been doing new things. Like chess, boxing, dancing, and new approach dating and studying. 

Especially when competing against others and winning against them pumps the ego. For example when boxing and beating the other, gives a tremendous amount of adrenaline and dopamine. 

I meditate on it and it gives some kind of clarity to the ties of the ego but now I’m thinking. Can go outer development and inner development go together? I’m doing these activities to get out of depression and I do enjoy them for some part so it is not totally ego games  

My priority is to defeat the ego in this stage of my life. Should I stop with these activities until I reached a new plateau of consciousness? Because I feel like these ego pleasures make it harder for me to let it go. I’m making it stronger.

But on the other hand these ego games also expose my ego which is beneficial for transcendence. 

[Thought Art]

Forget demonizing the ego. If you are depressed and going out to enjoy yourself focus on a healthy ego, and burning through your karma. 
 

Enjoy the competition, enjoy the thrill of this area of human life. Just don’t take it too seriously or overly identify with it. But, enjoy it.
 

 

Edited February 11, 2023 by Thought Art

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

It is damn hard not to develop ego. Lately I have been doing new things. Like chess, boxing, dancing, and new approach dating and studying. 

Especially when competing against others and winning against them pumps the ego. For example when boxing and beating the other, gives a tremendous amount of adrenaline and dopamine. 

I meditate on it and it gives some kind of clarity to the ties of the ego but now I’m thinking. Can go outer development and inner development go together? I’m doing these activities to get out of depression and I do enjoy them for some part so it is not totally ego games  

My priority is to defeat the ego in this stage of my life. Should I stop with these activities until I reached a new plateau of consciousness? Because I feel like these ego pleasures make it harder for me to let it go. I’m making it stronger.

But on the other hand these ego games also expose my ego which is beneficial for transcendence. 

Here's the strange Loop.  The more you pump the ego the more you will ultimately suffer.  Short term satisfaction will never fulfill you. It will leave you wanting more.   So when your suffering becomes so severe it will inevitably kill you- sending you into a pure ego less yet God full state.  Thus, completing the loop.  Moral of the story? Let that motherfucker run wild.

Edited February 11, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Eternal Unity]

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

My priority is to defeat the ego in this stage of my life.

Excellent!

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

 Should I stop with these activities until I reached a new plateau of consciousness?

On the contrary, do more!

 

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

But on the other hand these ego games also expose my ego which is beneficial for transcendence. 

No, it's not ego games, No such thing as Ego! THIS is awakening!

[gettoefl]

success for the ego is about superiority status importance

contemplate how one could reframe what success is, in a conscious non-egoic way

[Thought Art]

As long as you orient your overall goal towards a creative end, not a competitive one that’s ideal 

[StarStruck]

@Inliytened1 @Eternal Unity @gettoefl if I let my ego run wild I'm afraid I will beat people. I was beaten as a kid so that karma is inside of me. I had therapy for this but it is still in me.

14 hours ago, Thought Art said:

As long as you orient your overall goal towards a creative end, not a competitive one that’s ideal 

That is a good one. But my ego doesn't want to do creative stuff. It is not getting enjoyment from it.

I like boxing because it is so competitive, and when you beat the other it feels crazy good.

Dancing is creative but it is not as fun. I really have to be in the mood to dance (and be creative) but that doesn't happen often.

[Thought Art]

@StarStruck You are creating a good life by being competitive right now that’s good

[StarStruck]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

@StarStruck You are creating a good life by being competitive right now that’s good

I feel like I held myself back for years on end. If I continue to tread softly I will be wasting a lot of potential. Perhaps I should just let go ego go wild and crash and burn. The worst that can happen is death.

[Eternal Unity]

27 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

 karma is inside of me.

No such thing as karma.

[StarStruck]

43 minutes ago, Eternal Unity said:

No such thing as karma.

Really? You solved all of your karma?

[Bob Seeker]

Karma is action you take to bring yourself back into full alignment. It is a choice, not some energy or something. Leo doesn’t necessarily understand the meaning of the word. You you don’t HAVE karma, you EMPLOY karma to your benefit.

karma means action after all

as far as success goes- choose passion from a place of love and giving, rather than self-aggrandizement, ego comforts (different from sensuality), or lust.

 

Edited February 12, 2023 by Bob Seeker

[StarStruck]

50 minutes ago, Bob Seeker said:

Karma is action you take to bring yourself back into full alignment. It is a choice, not some energy or something. Leo doesn’t necessarily understand the meaning of the word. You you don’t HAVE karma, you EMPLOY karma to your benefit.

karma means action after all

 

 

Allignment with what?

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as far as success goes- choose passion from a place of love and giving, rather than self-aggrandizement, ego comforts (different from sensuality), or lust.

I don't have passion to be honest. My only drive is ego desires. Just being honest here.

[Bob Seeker]

48 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

1 hour ago, Bob Seeker said:

 

Allignment with what?

With your true nature, and the natural expression of that as your loving self.

You have passion. For example, picture a beautiful nude woman (if ur straight male) or whatever attracts you, and instead of looking at them with lust and wanting to have sex with them just to satisfy yourself, picture the possibility of both of you ascending into a higher experience of sexual union where you both appreciate each other and feel each other’s radiant love, leaving you both off better.

By doing this, you get a taste of what passion is like. And then seek to bring the world higher. How can you do that? What manifestation of your gifts might you find natural in seeking to do that, for the joy of seeing the world go higher. Feel that passion and engage in those activities passionately, with love and you will feel it.

[StarStruck]

27 minutes ago, Bob Seeker said:

With your true nature, and the natural expression of that as your loving self.

You have passion. For example, picture a beautiful nude woman (if ur straight male) or whatever attracts you, and instead of looking at them with lust and wanting to have sex with them just to satisfy yourself, picture the possibility of both of you ascending into a higher experience of sexual union where you both appreciate each other and feel each other’s radiant love, leaving you both off better.

By doing this, you get a taste of what passion is like. And then seek to bring the world higher. How can you do that? What manifestation of your gifts might you find natural in seeking to do that, for the joy of seeing the world go higher. Feel that passion and engage in those activities passionately, with love and you will feel it.

Two weeks ago I found a 10/10 and I had that light-hearted passionate experience with her but during our second meeting she rejected me when I turned clingy, needy and desperate lol, now I'm in depression ?

My theory is that my ego sabotaged me. It was too beautiful to become the truth. All my years of failure with women surfaced and I became heavy hearted.

From karmic point of view it is good this happened I guess, if I didn't steam ahead. I wouldn't have this experience and I would still have the karmic debt of the incel which would be unfortunate.

Edited February 12, 2023 by StarStruck

[Bob Seeker]

@StarStruck no such thing as karmic debt, only the results of our actions (which are wider than we know) and opportunity to get back into alignment with your highest expression of yourself.

relax. The “failure” with women is a thought you never have to have again.

instead, begin to give the love and dignified appreciation of her humanness to women which you would want if you were a woman. Then you will find you become more appreciated by women (obviously) and some of them may want to date you (naturally).

don’t beat yourself up for where you are. Simply see that by abandoning fear, negativity, thoughts of failure (as if this were some competition), you have the opportunity to live as your authentic self and you will reap what you sew.

Edited February 12, 2023 by Bob Seeker

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, StarStruck said:

like boxing because it is so competitive, and when you beat the other it feels crazy good.

When you box seriously, many times you find someone better in front of you. Set yourself the goal of being able to do 3 rounds of maximum intensity with a professional of your weight, not to win, juts to be able to do without being eaten, you'll see. It is a very useful sport to understand your ego a little more. I have practiced it very seriously. for me it was a kind of catharsis, being in a fight was like meditation, so i did a lot. but there came a time when hitting another person's head was very unpleasant for me. I keep practicing to stay in shape, but I never fight, and I see people fight and they seem crazy to me. 

but it had a positive effect. I have been with a guy in front of me  who wanted to attack me with all his strength so many times, that I lost the unconscious fear of other men I had. I remember at the beginning, when I was going to fight, I would warm up by hitting the bag and I would feel weak, slow, why? fear. fear until the action began. Later no, just anticipation, desire to hit, to let the body to act. Was a wonderful dance. It has been good for me to do that, I needed it. When I no longer needed it, I stopped liking it, but after many years

Edited February 12, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Eternal Unity]

10 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Really? You solved all of your karma?

it's not a matter of solving because there is nothing to solve. And even if there was, karma is not a negative thing. it translates from sanskrit as "action" 

Burning karma is the opposite of awakening, Leo got it wrong here (a rarity)

"You WANT as much karma in your experience as possible", - Sadhguru,

Edited February 12, 2023 by Eternal Unity
Karma's cookies and cream

[StarStruck]

21 minutes ago, Eternal Unity said:

it's not a matter of solving because there is nothing to solve. And even if there was, karma is not a negative thing. it translates from sanskrit as "action" 

Burning karma is the opposite of awakening, Leo got it wrong here (a rarity)

"You WANT as much karma in your experience as possible", - Sadhguru,

Wait. So what is your definition of karma? You say karma doesn't exist and after that you say you want as much karma as you want. That sounds like a contradiction.

From what I understand this is karma:
Karma is energy stored matter in your body.
So if you had traumas, those trauma energy is stored in your body as matter.
This is what science subscribes to. This is also the case from my exp.
But you say karma doesn't exist? So why do psychologist exist that help patients to let go of their karmic debt (traumas)? They just need a dude like
that says "there is nothing to solve"..

44 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

When you box seriously, many times you find someone better in front of you. Set yourself the goal of being able to do 3 rounds of maximum intensity with a professional of your weight, not to win, juts to be able to do without being eaten, you'll see. It is a very useful sport to understand your ego a little more. I have practiced it very seriously. for me it was a kind of catharsis, being in a fight was like meditation, so i did a lot. but there came a time when hitting another person's head was very unpleasant for me. I keep practicing to stay in shape, but I never fight, and I see people fight and they seem crazy to me.

Fighting against somebody stronger is very humbling. Especially if they are younger. I'm training for 3 months now and I'm able to beat the most of the guys in the beginners groups but there are some guys who are younger and stronger.. but that is not weird, they have been training for years.

What people told me is that I'm a strong guy but I need to dose my punches better, develop steady volume of punches instead doing power punches all the time. I have hard time doing this. Going to boxing classes is like doing psycho therapy on myself. I discovered I lack a lot of self-knowledge/awareness/mindfulness.

51 minutes ago, Bob Seeker said:

@StarStruck no such thing as karmic debt, only the results of our actions (which are wider than we know) and opportunity to get back into alignment with your highest expression of yourself.

relax. The “failure” with women is a thought you never have to have again.

instead, begin to give the love and dignified appreciation of her humanness to women which you would want if you were a woman. Then you will find you become more appreciated by women (obviously) and some of them may want to date you (naturally).

don’t beat yourself up for where you are. Simply see that by abandoning fear, negativity, thoughts of failure (as if this were some competition), you have the opportunity to live as your authentic self and you will reap what you sew.

Agreed

[Eternal Unity]

@StarStruck Ok, yeah, your right I contradicted myself. Let me try again. Negative karma DOES exist at a certain STAGE of awakening - Tier 1. After that karma dissolves and is Equal to Zero. You enter Tier 2 - A new cycle of karma kicks in - Positive Karma. when you graduate Turquoise - Karma is infinite. Sadguru is there. Leo is close.

I am exactly between Green and Yellow, So my personal situation is that of 0 karmic debt.