If you just want casual sex with a girl then do you need to be romantic with her?

[Hardkill]

If I wanted to just have a one-night stand with some random girl I met from a night club in LA or in Vegas for or if I wanted to have a friends with benefits kind of relationship with a girl I met from cold approach or what have you, do I still need to be romantic with that girl in order to seduce her into sleeping with me? 

Or could that actually mislead her into thinking that I want a serious relationship with her even if I don't want that?

Edited February 9, 2023 by Hardkill

[NoSelfSelf]

I dont understand how can you be with someone that you just sleeping with romantic? That just shows you are manipulator, you do things for girls to sleep with ,your whole mindset is losing from beggining, dont sell yourself like that...

To me that sounds like :do i have to put a ring on her finger to be my girlfriend ...

[Roy]

Your first time having sex with any girl should be FUN - regardless if it's a one night stand or you're starting a potential relationship. The experience should be exhilarating and exciting for both of you. You're letting loose and exploring each others bodies for the first time, finding out what you both like (and don't like). The vibe should be playful, hedonistic, and lustful.

You don't want to be romantic until later on (after meeting a 3-4 times, a month or two roughly) after you've got sexually comfortable with each other. Which means you are forming a sort of relationship, so to answer your question NO you don't want to be romantic with casual sex whatsoever.

If you are romantic too soon a girl, it will kill the vibe. She will feel creeped out, that you're attached too early, and it puts too much pressure on her and the idea of the encounter and she'll flake out. I learned this the hard way when I was younger when I started having experiences with women. I was given the wrong impression and brainwashed by culture about how attraction works.

VERY FEW women actually want romance early on, like 1/10. When they say they crave romance they are lying, but obviously unconscious that they are lying. Don't blame them it's not malicious, they are just conditioned with false ideas like everyone else.

What they truly respond to and will get in bed for is a funny, playful guy to raise their energy level and make them interested in the spontaneous possibility of sex.

I've been with nearly all age ranges now from 16 to 55. They all respond the same. It's what works. Period. DO NOT BE ROMANTIC unless you want to advance to girlfriend/boyfriend stage.

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Roy

[Hardkill]

13 minutes ago, Roy said:

Your first time having sex with any girl should be FUN - regardless if it's a one night stand or you're starting a potential relationship. The experience should be exhilarating and exciting for both of you. You're letting loose and exploring each others bodies for the first time, finding out what you both like (and don't like). The vibe should be playful, hedonistic, and lustful.

You don't want to be romantic until later on (after meeting a 3-4 times, a month or two roughly) after you've got sexually comfortable with each other. Which means you are forming a sort of relationship, so to answer your question NO you don't want to be romantic with casual sex whatsoever.

If you are romantic too soon a girl, it will kill the vibe. She will feel creeped out, that you're attached too early, and it puts too much pressure on her and the idea of the encounter and she'll flake out. I learned this the hard way when I was younger when I started having experiences with women. I was given the wrong impression and brainwashed by culture about how attraction works.

VERY FEW women actually want romance early on, like 1/10. When they say they crave romance they are lying, but obviously unconscious that they are lying. Don't blame them it's not malicious, they are just conditioned with false ideas like everyone else.

What they truly respond to and will get in bed for is a funny, playful guy to raise their energy level and make them interested in the spontaneous possibility of sex.

I've been with nearly all age ranges now from 16 to 55. They all respond the same. It's what works. Period. DO NOT BE ROMANTIC unless you want to advance to girlfriend/boyfriend stage.

 

Yeah, that's what I thought. 

But at the same time, I don't want to be too sexual too fast either, even if I want just casual sex, right?

 

[something_else]

Coming up with hard rules like this is not that helpful. It's too logical. It will be different depending on the girl, the situation and your chemistry with her and you just need to build up a sense of what works for you through practice.

[NoSelfSelf]

@something_else Simping behaviour ? manipulation and tricking,i dont like pick up theory its not game

Edited February 10, 2023 by NoSelfSelf

[Roy]

8 hours ago, Hardkill said:

But at the same time, I don't want to be too sexual too fast either, even if I want just casual sex, right?

You gotta strike while the iron is hot or you will miss your chance. Just use your intuition.

[Wisebaxter]

There’s a reason that male escorts will often find themselves engaged in romantic activities with their clients. That reason is that it turns most women on. There are exceptions sure, but the emotional connection encouraged by romance will help her relax and feel at ease with you. Just don’t go too overboard and blur boundaries. but really the best answer is, ask them what they want. There’s no objective answer really. Also remember, passionate, sexy or lusty stuff can still be considered romantic. For example, eat a strawberry out of her pussy. Everyone’s a winner 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Wisebaxter

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Roy said:

You gotta strike while the iron is hot or you will miss your chance. Just use your intuition.

Oh yeah, I agree with that!

 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Wisebaxter said:

For example, eat a strawberry out of her pussy. Everyone’s a winner 

You know that meme where the blonde woman is looking very confused and there are numbers and equations all around her?

That’s me right now imagining how this would work out logistically and anatomically.

[integral]

@Hardkill What's the differences between romance, making her horny and seduction? ?

Edited February 10, 2023 by integral

[UnbornTao]

Many people go to clubs just to have sex and it doesn't need to be romantic as far as I know. You can get clear from the beginning what the purpose of the relationship is. As long as the persons involved agree on it, I don't think that "romance" needs to happen. I imagine that it wouldn't hurt though.

Edited February 11, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Many people go to clubs just to have sex and it doesn't need to be romantic as far as I know. You can get clear from the beginning what the purpose of the relationship is. As long as the persons involved agree on it, I don't think that "romance" needs to happen. But I mean, I imagine it wouldn't hurt as long as the purpose for the relationship is clear on both ends.

That's why I've tried before being sexual right away with girls at bars and clubs, but it creeped out a lot of them and it got me into trouble a couple times with security. 

There was this one time at a bar I was at several years ago, where I got tipsy and I randomly approached this woman at a bar by going up to her and saying "I am incredibly hard!" Her response was "What did you say?!" I told her again that "I am incredibly hard!" She of course was shocked by that and then asked how old I was. I told her my age and then I asked how old she was. I think she said that she was in her late 30s/early 40s. I don't remember how exactly the rest of the convo went with her but she did leave after about a minute of talking. A few minutes later, the manager of the bar came up to me and told me that they received complaints about me making some girls feel uncomfortable and so he asked me to leave the bar, which I did.

 

 

 

[UnbornTao]

@Hardkill not exactly like that though 

I don't know what to recommend beyond this point. Perhaps learn basic dating principles, being that straightforward will put many people off.

Edited February 11, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

Player frame vs boyfriend frame.

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Player frame vs boyfriend frame.

Yeah, I know that pickup coaches and seduction experts say that you want to have a player vibe, but don't girls reject guys who come off as players?

Often times, when a girl rejects a guy who comes off as player she'll be thinking to herself or tell her friends stuff like:

"That guy who was hitting on me seemed like a player who was just trying to get into my pants. I am not sure I trust him."

"He seemed a bit too friendly and kinda too touchy. I feel like the guy was just saying anything just to try to sleep with me as soon as he gets the chance to and then dump me."

Then her friends will go: 

"Oh yeah, that guy really does sound like a sleazy player. Yeah, glad you stayed away from him, girl."

"Sounds like that guy thought he was really slick like a greasy politician or snake oil salesman. I would definitely not touch with a ten foot pole if I were you. A guy like seems very dishonest and he could ruin your life."

Afterwards, that girl will perceive that guy to be another creep and fraud who's just trying to trick her into using her body as a sex object.

Edited February 11, 2023 by Hardkill

[Eternal Unity]

On 9.2.2023 at 11:58 PM, Hardkill said:

do I still need to be romantic with that girl in order to seduce her into sleeping with me? 

Or could that actually mislead her into thinking that I want a serious relationship with her even if I don't want that?

First question - not necessarily.

Second question - It could.

Advice - talk about that before you have sex.

Edit: Oh, one more thing - DO NOT seduce. Act from love, not deception. Leo clearly states in the Self Deception Trilogy and The Game Episodes that if you do some thing stupid - you're insane plan to sleep with a lot of girls, if coming from seduction - it'll backfire. Be careful, dude!

The advice is free, the money you'll have to pay for mistakes (pregnancy, legal law suits, sexual harassment) is big bucks and probably jail.

Greg

Edited February 11, 2023 by Eternal Unity
Casual sex

[mmKay]

14 hours ago, Emerald said:

You know that meme where the blonde woman is looking very confused and there are numbers and equations all around her?

That’s me right now imagining how this would work out logistically and anatomically.

[StarStruck]

Her panties will drop to the merits of your masculinity/funniness. If you are just a clown and lose the masculine frame, you are not getting any fun. With girls you get back what you give, so if are fun you get fun back, if you are serious you get seriousness back.

[flowboy]

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

That guy who was hitting on me seemed like a player who was just trying to get into my pants. I am not sure I trust him."

"He seemed a bit too friendly and kinda too touchy. I feel like the guy was just saying anything just to try to sleep with me as soon as he gets the chance to and then dump me."

Yes but YOU ARE these things ?

and you should OWN it!

And some women are not up for that, some of the women will actually properly detect that and reject you for it.

and They Should.

This is a consensual game after all.

This is why you should love rejection, because many women will be up for a night of no strings attached fun, those will not reject player vibes, and those will also not regret sleeping with you.

 

Edited February 11, 2023 by flowboy