The main problem with today's progressives

[Devin]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

lol what if a lot of things?

Even if that did happen your best option for survival is to hide, or run away with as many people as you can take. Chances are the cops will probably shoot YOU too because of the chaos of the situation.

I saw some meme a while ago poking a hole in the logic of people who fantasize over being a savior. If everyone has a gun they'll shoot the original shooter, then someone else will shoot that shooter, then they'll get shot by someone else thinking they're the shooter and so on until you're left with a lot of dead idiots who thought they were doing the right thing 

 

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[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

But what if I was working at a school or some other kind of workplace and some psycho shooter randomly shows up at whatever place I happen to be working at, but I don't have a gun with me? How will I best be able to protect myself and other innocent people near me?

That's what ninja stars are for.

[Hardkill]

17 minutes ago, Roy said:

lol what if a lot of things?

Even if that did happen your best option for survival is to hide, or run away with as many people as you can take. Chances are the cops will probably shoot YOU too because of the chaos of the situation.

I saw some meme a while ago poking a hole in the logic of people who fantasize over being a savior. If everyone has a gun they'll shoot the original shooter, then someone else will shoot that shooter, then they'll get shot by someone else thinking they're the shooter and so on until you're left with a lot of dead idiots who thought they were doing the right thing 

Most people cannot handle or get a chaotic situation like that under control effectively or reliably.

Hell the police and military can barely do it that well and it's their day job. What chance does a Joe Schmoe have?

hmmm....then may be I should buy some comfortable and not so heavy bulletproof vests and a bullet proof helmet.

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's what ninja stars are for.

If I had ninja stars, then I would use my Demon Wind Shuriken technique on all of the baddies!

[mr_engineer]

6 hours ago, Hardkill said:

I am absolutely all for M4A, but if right now every American's private health insurance were to be replaced by a single payer system like Medicare for All, then many health insurance businesses, Big Pharma, and many everyday Americans might get so freaked out and get so enraged about it to the point of causing some kind of serious uprising against it, yeah?

So many conservatives in America would become so furious with having their private health insurance replaced by M4A, that they would feel like they had absolute worst form of socialism/communism ever imposed upon their own lives.

Same thing might happen if say the US government right now passed a constitutional amendment that permanently abolished the 2nd amendment.

But maybe what should be done is to have tons of ads out there that constantly promote a single-payer system or some kind of universal health care system in order to persuade the masses to support and vote for it.

Here's how the conservative argument will go. 

They will point to UK and Canada, at the lines and wait-times for a doctor's appointment. And they'll say 'they have 'free health-care. Yet, it's not readily available when we need it. Why shouldn't I be able to get immediate health-care if I have the means to pay for it, if I have an insurance?! Poor people are lazy anyways, so let them wait in the lines! Let me get access.' 

Here's my systems-thinking on this - as long as there is a scarcity of resources, doctors, hospitals, there will be competition for it. This is the point of capitalism, essentially - to determine who wins and who loses. Now, what is the solution to the problem of scarcity?! More capitalism! More productivity. More building of medical facilities. 

Hold your politicians accountable for these premature political agendas. If they're leftists, they will say anything to get the support of far-left extremists like communists. They will not want to piss off extremists who benefit them. Nothing, absolutely nothing is free in this world. Be mindful of the true price of what you're asking for. 

Healthcare services are so essential that any change in them will occur only if the industry itself initiates it. Through development of new technology and better systems. You can't threaten this industry with bans. You can't say 'Make this change, or else, we ban you for a year'. There have to be people in the industry with a conscience, who initiate positive change in it. 

Edited February 4, 2023 by mr_engineer

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, mr_engineer said:

Here's how the conservative argument will go. 

They will point to UK and Canada, at the lines and wait-times for a doctor's appointment. And they'll say 'they have 'free health-care. Yet, it's not readily available when we need it. Why shouldn't I be able to get immediate health-care if I have the means to pay for it, if I have an insurance?! Poor people are lazy anyways, so let them wait in the lines! Let me get access.' 

Here's my systems-thinking on this - as long as there is a scarcity of resources, doctors, hospitals, there will be competition for it. This is the point of capitalism, essentially - to determine who wins and who loses. Now, what is the solution to the problem of scarcity?! More capitalism! More productivity. More building of medical facilities. 

Hold your politicians accountable for these premature political agendas. If they're leftists, they will say anything to get the support of far-left extremists like communists. They will not want to piss off extremists who benefit them. Nothing, absolutely nothing is free in this world. Be mindful of the true price of what you're asking for. 

Healthcare services are so essential that any change in them will occur only if the industry itself initiates it. Through development of new technology and better systems. You can't threaten this industry with bans. You can't say 'Make this change, or else, we ban you for a year'. There have to be people in the industry with a conscience, who initiate positive change in it. 

So, how did Canada get their single payer system implemented?

[mr_engineer]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

So, how did Canada get their single payer system implemented?

Do you see Canada's healthcare system as a success or a failure? 

I think progressives and conservatives don't agree on the answer to this question. 

But, if you want to know the systemically sound way to get free healthcare, here's how it goes - you cheapen college and you incentivize more students to go into medicine. This will create a bubble in the job-market for doctors, it won't be as lucrative anymore. (Similar to the tech-bubble) Then, you create a free healthcare system on a grand scale, where you make it accessible to all and you run it efficiently. Give doctors a better paycheck than what capitalism gives them and set up more facilities for people to access. 

Edited February 4, 2023 by mr_engineer

[Hardkill]

12 hours ago, mr_engineer said:

Do you see Canada's healthcare system as a success or a failure? 

I think progressives and conservatives don't agree on the answer to this question. 

And you're willing to believe the arguments made by conservatives on single-payer system. You know that practically every conservatives in America lies many times more than moderates and liberals do about every single kind of issue.

Not to mention, what good ideas on healthcare reform do Republicans and conservatives in America have in mind instead of single payer or instead of any kind of universal healthcare system? Oh yeah, that's right, they want to actually eliminate Social Security (including Medicare and Medicaid), and the PPACA. They also want to cut as much spending as possible on any kind of subsidies for the poor and minorities.

Here are some good clips that have debunked the negative myths associated with a single-payer system:

Also, I am not saying that single-payer is the only way forward for our country's healthcare industry, but why not have it along with allowing private health insurances to exist in America? The US already has a single payer system for those 65 years old and older and Canada has both a single-payer system and private health insurance companies.

12 hours ago, mr_engineer said:

But, if you want to know the systemically sound way to get free healthcare, here's how it goes - you cheapen college and you incentivize more students to go into medicine. This will create a bubble in the job-market for doctors, it won't be as lucrative anymore. (Similar to the tech-bubble) Then, you create a free healthcare system on a grand scale, where you make it accessible to all and you run it efficiently. Give doctors a better paycheck than what capitalism gives them and set up more facilities for people to access. 

That could also work too. 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Hardkill

[mr_engineer]

@Hardkill I don't know about the West but here, in India, time-efficiency is everything because of the population. You avoid wait-times like the plague here! Cuz the queues are insanely long. 

I have an uncle in Canada and when he said that 'I have to wait 6 weeks to get a doctor's appointment' or 'I have to wait 2 months to get bloodwork done', that painted a really ugly picture for me. It's unheard of here or even in the US. 

In the second video, he said 'doctors make decisions based on their best judgement'. Right, but logistic decisions aren't made by a doctor. They're made by the government! 

'People aren't dying in wait-lines. The wait-lines are only for those who are moderately sick! You have to wait until you get more serious. Then, we'll take you seriously!'

And, money is a factor that you control. You control how much you make, you choose your socio-economic class in life. You choose the health-decisions too. And, I think that people should have the freedom to take preventative measures, get their check-ups on time, rather than having things escalate and needing cure-measures for the system to take you more seriously.

I can totally picture an athletically built Canadian saying 'Why do I have to wait 2 months for my bloodwork, because some obese, broke person didn't take care of their health?! Why are resources that I have the means to pay for and that I value a lot, getting redistributed to the weaker people of my society?!' 

9 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Also, I am not saying that single-payer is the only way forward for our country's healthcare industry, but why not have it along with allowing private health insurances to exist in America? The US already has a single payer system for those 65 years old and older and Canada has both a single-payer system and private health insurance companies.

Because you need a lot more resources to have both. If you're struggling with an inflation of prices in the US or wait-times in Canada, the solution is to pick one of the two systems that's more productive/resourceful in the long-term. 

Edited February 5, 2023 by mr_engineer

[Hardkill]

42 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

@Hardkill Because you need a lot more resources to have both. If you're struggling with an inflation of prices in the US or wait-times in Canada, the solution is to pick one of the two systems that's more productive/resourceful in the long-term. 

The myth of ha

 

42 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

@Hardkill I don't know about the West but here, in India, time-efficiency is everything because of the population. You avoid wait-times like the plague here! Cuz the queues are insanely long. 

I have an uncle in Canada and when he said that 'I have to wait 6 weeks to get a doctor's appointment' or 'I have to wait 2 months to get bloodwork done', that painted a really ugly picture for me. It's unheard of here or even in the US. 

In the second video, he said 'doctors make decisions based on their best judgement'. Right, but logistic decisions aren't made by a doctor. They're made by the government! 

'People aren't dying in wait-lines. The wait-lines are only for those who are moderately sick! You have to wait until you get more serious. Then, we'll take you seriously!'

And, money is a factor that you control. You control how much you make, you choose your socio-economic class in life. You choose the health-decisions too. And, I think that people should have the freedom to take preventative measures, get their check-ups on time, rather than having things escalate and needing cure-measures for the system to take you more seriously. 

Having to wait too long for your doctor's appointment in Canada is largely a myth. The videos I posted up above explain it.

I live in the US with my parents and my parents would have to wait weeks if not months to see a specialist.

Overall, Canadians spend about half of what Americans spend on health care and have longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates. 

42 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

Because you need a lot more resources to have both. If you're struggling with an inflation of prices in the US or wait-times in Canada, the solution is to pick one of the two systems that's more productive/resourceful in the long-term. 

America is undeniably the richest country in the world, so we have more than enough resources to have both just like Canada, Australia, and every 1st world country in Europe does.

Edited February 5, 2023 by Hardkill

[mr_engineer]

12 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Having to wait too long for your doctor's appointment in Canada is largely a myth. The videos I posted up above explain it.

Dude, my uncle said it's real. 

These people have incentives to push a political agenda. 

15 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I live in the US with my parents and my parents would have to wait weeks if not months to see a specialist.

Overall, Canadians spend about half of what Americans spend on health care and have longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates. 

I'm not denying that this is a problem in the US. My point is that free healthcare isn't going to fix this. 

I live in India. And here, if you live in a city, such long wait-times are unheard of. There are enough cardiologists, neurologists, gynaecologists, nephrologists here to cater to a huge population. Because the college here is cheap. I'm telling you, that's the solution. The government-facilities are absolute trash. (Not projecting that onto US or Canada) But, if you pay, you get the good stuff on time. 

16 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

America is undeniably the richest country in the world, so we have more than enough resources to have both just like Canada, Australia, and every 1st world country in Europe does.

No, you don't. If you did, the prices wouldn't be so over-inflated. The quality is very good, but the quantity isn't enough. 

[Leo Gura]

The prices are inflated because there are no caps on greed and profiteering. The whole US medical system is designed to scam people. If we eliminate the insurance middlemen the cost would drop by 50%.

Edited February 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

The prices are inflated because there are no caps on greed and profiteering. The whole US medical system is designed to scam people. If we eliminate the insurance middlemen the cost would drop by 50%.

I wonder why there hasn't been a nationwide movement for universal health care to a degree similar to that of the civil rights movement or the early 20th century progressive era?

[Recursoinominado]

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

I wonder why there hasn't been a nationwide movement for universal health care to a degree similar to that of the civil rights movement or the early 20th century progressive era?

What are you? A Damn communist?