The main problem with today's progressives

[Hardkill]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Kicking and screaming.

How else?

Yeah, but how exactly are going to see the light and decide to vote for liberals or progressives within the next decade or so?

Edited February 3, 2023 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

It's a war.

[Hardkill]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a war.

That’s why I am considering owning a gun for my own protection. 

I fear there is going to be more chaotic political violence in the future for an indefinite period of time.

[Leo Gura]

The war is not physical per se, it's psychological.

[Phoebe]

I own guns for psychological protection lmao

Edited February 3, 2023 by Phoebe

[SeaMonster]

22 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

Big words, all non-sense.

Small mind, little comprehension.

Maybe you like concrete examples.

https://abc7.com/dana-point-bicyclist-crash-car/12762803/

"When they ran outside, she said, they heard the suspect uttering racial slurs about "white privilege.""

That's pretty much where modern progressivism leads.

A fucking accountant in a Lexus, not some nutjob on the way to jail.

Edited February 3, 2023 by SeaMonster

[mr_engineer]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How else?

Through more Spiral Wizardry. 

Here's what my assessment says - people who are stuck at Orange are either materially deprived, or they are psychologically stuck in the rat-race. 

If you're materially deprived, you just have to grow through Orange. There are no shortcuts. No amount of progressivism is going to fix that. 

And, if you're psychologically stuck in the rat-race, you have to become more spiritual. You have to work on your mental and emotional health. And get help in doing so. Again, nothing to do with politics or 'progressivism'. 

Today's progressivism, or identity-politics, is grievance-politics, for the most part. It has nothing to do with 'helping society go up the Spiral', fundamentally. It's a projection of their own agenda for themselves onto the rest of society. Therefore, it's not above the corruptions that it says that 'others' have. It's very tribalistic, in fact. 

Day 1, lesson 1 of Spiral-Wizardry is to see through this game of fear and shame and to transcend it. 

And, if you're a progressive and you want change, be the change you want to see in the world. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by mr_engineer

[Danioover9000]

@mr_engineer

5 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

Through more Spiral Wizardry. 

Here's what my assessment says - people who are stuck at Orange are either materially deprived, or they are psychologically stuck in the rat-race. 

If you're materially deprived, you just have to grow through Orange. There are no shortcuts. No amount of progressivism is going to fix that. 

And, if you're psychologically stuck in the rat-race, you have to become more spiritual. You have to work on your mental and emotional health. And get help in doing so. Again, nothing to do with politics or 'progressivism'. 

Today's progressivism, or identity-politics, is grievance-politics, for the most part. It has nothing to do with 'helping society go up the Spiral', fundamentally. It's a projection of their own agenda for themselves onto the rest of society. Therefore, it's not above the corruptions that it says that 'others' have. It's very tribalistic, in fact. 

Day 1, lesson 1 of Spiral-Wizardry is to see through this game of fear and shame and to transcend it. 

   Nice post, yes we should take spiral dynamics seriously.

[mr_engineer]

If you want to form a utopian world, form an Osho-style commune, gather in a circle and sing Kumbaya. Perfectly fine. Don't needlessly fight people who are not on your level. And, if you want to stop their injustices, outcompete them in a fair competition. Don't engage in moral condemnation, because it will get deflected onto you, one way or another. 

Don't let corrupt politicians divide and rule you. Lying is the job-description of a politician anyways. So, don't get swayed by them. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by mr_engineer

[Hardkill]

26 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

Through more Spiral Wizardry. 

Here's what my assessment says - people who are stuck at Orange are either materially deprived, or they are psychologically stuck in the rat-race. 

If you're materially deprived, you just have to grow through Orange. There are no shortcuts. No amount of progressivism is going to fix that. 

And, if you're psychologically stuck in the rat-race, you have to become more spiritual. You have to work on your mental and emotional health. And get help in doing so. Again, nothing to do with politics or 'progressivism'. 

Today's progressivism, or identity-politics, is grievance-politics, for the most part. It has nothing to do with 'helping society go up the Spiral', fundamentally. It's a projection of their own agenda for themselves onto the rest of society. Therefore, it's not above the corruptions that it says that 'others' have. It's very tribalistic, in fact. 

Day 1, lesson 1 of Spiral-Wizardry is to see through this game of fear and shame and to transcend it. 

And, if you're a progressive and you want change, be the change you want to see in the world. 

Yeah, Leo also said all of that stuff too in both his "Why Bernie Sanders Lost" vid and "How Societies evolve" vid.

[Leo Gura]

@mr_engineer There is wisdom in what you said. However, humanity is not wise so people will be dragged kicking and screaming.

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@mr_engineer There is wisdom in what you said. However, humanity is not wise so people will be dragged kicking and screaming.

Though it could cause unwanted backlash if progress is pushed too much on the masses, right?

I am absolutely all for M4A, but if right now every American's private health insurance were to be replaced by a single payer system like Medicare for All, then many health insurance businesses, Big Pharma, and many everyday Americans might get so freaked out and get so enraged about it to the point of causing some kind of serious uprising against it, yeah?

So many conservatives in America would become so furious with having their private health insurance replaced by M4A, that they would feel like they had absolute worst form of socialism/communism ever imposed upon their own lives.

Same thing might happen if say the US government right now passed a constitutional amendment that permanently abolished the 2nd amendment.

But maybe what should be done is to have tons of ads out there that constantly promote a single-payer system or some kind of universal health care system in order to persuade the masses to support and vote for it.

There should also be some kind of heavy regulation on the advertisement and promotion of guns that could make the idea of having the right to bear arms much less appealing to the public than it is. That's how smoking no longer became popular in America.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Though it could cause unwanted backlash if progress is pushed too much on the masses, right?

Yup

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yup

We really need major advertisements and a much more powerful method of promoting all of these progressive ideas to the public until they become overwhelming popular and heavily desired by the vast majority of Americans.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Hardkill

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

40 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

We really need major advertisements and a much more powerful method of promoting all of these progressive ideas to the public until they become overwhelming popular and heavily desired by the vast majority of Americans.

   No, we just need a fleet of aliens that present an existential threat to humanity, that it quickly stops all the bickering and bipartisanship among the political parties. See how quickly all cultures start working together.

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   No, we just need a fleet of aliens that present an existential threat to humanity, that it quickly stops all the bickering and bipartisanship among the political parties. See how quickly all cultures start working together.

That's very unlikely to happen within the foreseeable future. 

I mean anything is possible, but I wouldn't certainly wouldn't count on that happening within the next 50 years from now.

We earthlings can't just sit around and wait for miracles to happen.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Hardkill

[Roy]

22 hours ago, Hardkill said:

That’s why I am considering owning a gun for my own protection. 

I fear there is going to be more chaotic political violence in the future for an indefinite period of time.

Don't get a gun. It's very existence in your control is the potential to contribute to senseless violence.

You are only at risk of political violence if you go out rioting in the streets with all the other idiots.

[Hardkill]

7 minutes ago, Roy said:

Don't get a gun. It's very existence in your control is the potential to contribute to senseless violence.

You are only at risk of political violence if you go out rioting in the streets with all the other idiots.

You have a point.

I honestly, don't like the idea of anyone owning a gun, except for the military, police, and possibly security guards at banks, schools, and workplaces.

I am certainly not stupid not enough to be a part of any riot anywhere.

I also don't plan on ever running for any kind of political office. 

But what if I was working at a school or some other kind of workplace and some psycho shooter randomly shows up at whatever place I happen to be working at, but I don't have a gun with me? How will I best be able to protect myself and other innocent people near me?

Or what if I live in some dangerous neighborhood that has dangerous criminals or gangs near where I live? The best solution in that case would of course be to move to another neighborhood that's much safer, but moving to another area isn't always a viable strategy and how can anybody ever know for sure what's a truly safe area to live in?

Edited February 4, 2023 by Hardkill

[Devin]

2 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

But what if I was working at a school or some other kind of workplace and some psycho shooter randomly shows up at whatever place I happen to be working at, but I don't have a gun with me? How will I best be able to protect myself and other innocent people near me?

Get a gun, it's your civic duty.

[Roy]

9 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

But what if I was working at a school or some other kind of workplace and some psycho shooter randomly shows up at whatever place I happen to be working at, but I don't have a gun with me? How will I best be able to protect myself and other innocent people near me?

lol what if a lot of things?

Even if that did happen your best option for survival is to hide, or run away with as many people as you can take. Chances are the cops will probably shoot YOU too because of the chaos of the situation.

I saw some meme a while ago poking a hole in the logic of people who fantasize over being a savior. If everyone has a gun they'll shoot the original shooter, then someone else will shoot that shooter, then they'll get shot by someone else thinking they're the shooter and so on until you're left with a lot of dead idiots who thought they were doing the right thing 

Most people cannot handle or get a chaotic situation like that under control effectively or reliably.

Hell the police and military can barely do it that well and it's their day job. What chance does a Joe Schmoe have?

Edited February 4, 2023 by Roy