Will 'ChatGPT' make people lose their jobs?

[Rasheed]

Will 'ChatGPT' make people lose their jobs?

Jobs which 'ChatGPT' can easily threaten:

• Accountant
• Programmers
• Content Writing
• Marketers
• etc...You can fill in the spaces

 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Rasheed

[something_else]

1 hour ago, Rasheed said:

• Accountant
• Programmers

I wouldn't say it threatens these professions yet per se.

It can code, but software engineering isn't just about coding, it's about architecture design, connecting different technologies together and managing massive codebases. That kind of work is akin to constructing a building, an AI like ChatGPT doesn't have the interface to the real world that can allow it to effectively construct a building. It's similar with programming. It can write small scripts and classes extremely impressively but it doesn't have the action set to build or design complex and multi-faceted software engineering projects yet.

It's also not that scalable. It's insanely expensive to run at the moment.

It's definitely a step in the right direction but it's not going to replace programmers in its current state. Content writers and artists are farrrr more at risk of being replaced by AI because the output data format of their work is very simple and easy for computers to work with; just text and images.

[integral]

No its no where near able to replace any job its only a tool and not a very good one yet, the next iteration GPT-4 will be a useful tool everyone will use in all industries and GPT-5 might have the ability to completely replace jobs if it can execute complex tasks over multiple applications. 

Ive been using chatGPT for a month or so now everyday even to code and its still just a toy.

But yes, in the long run every job will be replaced by AI. 

Edited January 30, 2023 by integral

[Rasheed]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

I wouldn't say it threatens these professions yet per se.

It can code, but software engineering isn't just about coding, it's about architecture design, connecting different technologies together and managing massive codebases. That kind of work is akin to constructing a building, an AI like ChatGPT doesn't have the interface to the real world that can allow it to effectively construct a building. It's similar with programming. It can write small scripts and classes extremely impressively but it doesn't have the action set to build or design complex and multi-faceted software engineering projects yet.

It's also not that scalable. It's insanely expensive to run at the moment.

It's definitely a step in the right direction but it's not going to replace programmers in its current state. Content writers and artists are farrrr more at risk of being replaced by AI because the output data format of their work is very simple and easy for computers to work with; just text and images.

What are other careers at risk? ChatGPT is nuts….

55 minutes ago, integral said:

No its no where near able to replace any job its only a tool and not a very good one yet, the next iteration GPT-4 will be a useful tool everyone will use in all industries and GPT-5 might have the ability to completely replace jobs if it can execute complex tasks over multiple applications. 

Ive been using chatGPT for a month or so now everyday even to code and its still just a toy.

But yes, in the long run every job will be replaced by AI. 

When will be then next iteration? This thing is supposed to develop fast? What do you mean by “long run”…If this things develops and delivers on the promise, most people won’t have food to put on their plate because human cannot compete with ChatGPT

[Spiral]

@something_else A programmer and a software engineer are two different professions. That may have been your point however 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Spiral

[Rasheed]

5 minutes ago, Spiral said:

@something_else A programmer and a software engineer are two different professions. That may have been your point however 

I was asking about coders i.e programmers not software architects…Just noticed that actually…

 

 

[zurew]

3 hours ago, Rasheed said:

Will 'ChatGPT' make people lose their jobs?

Maybe copywriters and maybe some others but mostly it will automate some parts of certain jobs. Jordan Peterson is doing a big hype in that video, I would suggest to almost never take at face value any information coming from people that are not experts in the field , they are talking about (even experts can say sometimes dumb or outrageous shit).

You should be very sceptical about predictions regarding to AI , because its just so unreliable and everything is changing so fast, that there is no way that anyone can make such reasonable predictions and assumptions that will be true with a high probability.

[Rasheed]

I don’t know…I think we have woken up in super uncertain, super fast changing the world, ChatGPT and AI will change entire game for every single industry more than invention of internet, phone, TV, radio, Wi-Fi ever did…It basically makes intellect and knowledge work obsolete and pointless because how can one compete with it? Impossible

[zurew]

18 minutes ago, Rasheed said:

It basically makes intellect and knowledge work obsolete and pointless because how can one compete with it? Impossible

Not so fast. We don't know yet how far we can push the current AI tech and we don't know what the limitations are. Sure we might reach a point in the future where almost all jobs will be replaced by AI, but we don't know when that time will come and there is no guarantee that it will happen in the next 1 or two decades. Replacing most human workers overall (where there is no need for any human attention or knowledge or free will or thinking) seems an incredibly hard task.

We  still have a very poor understanding of our own intelligence, so it seems very unlikely to intentionally create(without luck) an intelligence that has all the main capacities that a human has. Sure it might be the case, that we could achieve it by randomly experimenting with stuff, but that is still hitting shots in the dark without knowing what we are doing.

It might be the case, that a different kind of structure will be needed to build a superintelligence and a multi-layer transformer network (that chatgpt was trained on) is too limited in a structural way that can't be overcomed by adding more computational power to it.

Edited January 30, 2023 by zurew

[something_else]

1 hour ago, Rasheed said:

I was asking about coders i.e programmers not software architects…Just noticed that actually…

 

 

There isn’t that much difference other than skill level. It’s the same fundamental job. Software architects are really just advanced programmers. It’s like junior dev vs senior dev. Most of the sensor devs I know would all call themselves programmers, but at some point you end up focusing more on higher level tasks when you get more skilled. They’re not separate professions

 

[integral]

Make me an application using chatGPT with no coding knowledge. I cant wait for it to be able to take the entire code base, understand the system and automatically code any feature. ???

Edited January 30, 2023 by integral

[integral]

Well actually all its missing is more memory, if they had a paid service where i could upload an entire code base and it it can become context aware of the whole system then we can ask it system level questions. It can explain exactly where and how to implement features or write the features itself. 

Edited January 30, 2023 by integral

[Emrie]

I wonder if AI is the thing that's going to push us to socialism.

If AI starts threatening enough people's livelihoods, there's no telling what people will start demanding.

[Gesundheit2]

No. Nothing will ever replace humans. That's never a risk, cuz it's never the point. Any new technology will only enhance the human life and experience, cuz that's the ultimate point.

Before modern technology and factories, people used to create everything manually. From basic human needs like food and clothing, to luxuriant stuff like theatre and art. Factories did not replace humans. It only multiplied their productivity and made everything easier, cheaper, and more accessible to the public. Worrying about AI replacing humans is like worrying about tractors replacing farmers.

Stop believing this nonsense. The human touch is irreplaceable.

The only thing that might change is how those said humans will fit into the new puzzle. But that's not a problem, cuz the change will be gradual and everyone will get enough time to shift. And some people will still want man-made products, just for the bare fact that they're more humane.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Gesundheit2

[Leo Gura]

Those jobs will just become less tedious and more high-level, in cooperation with AI.

AI will do the mindless busy work. Just like how mathematicians no longer need to crunch numbers by hand thanks to calculators.

There will be all sorts of powerful AI tools that humans get to use in every line of work to make the work better.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Girzo]

AI is super needed, it HAS TO replace those workers. As climate change progresses and bumps in oil prices happen more often, people will be forced to do more task crucial to survival by hand.

More people doing decentralized agriculture, people spending more time commuting because of using bikes, aging of population in wealthy countries and much more, all these factors mean that there will be less man hours available for fulfilling the needs of a capitalist system.

AI is good for community.

[Emrie]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Those jobs will just become less tedious and more high-level, in cooperation with AI.

AI will do the mindless busy work. Just like how mathematiciana no longer need to crunch numbers by hand thanks to calculators.

There will be all sorts of powerful AI tools that humans get to use in every line of work to make the work better.

This is exactly how I've been using ChatGPT for programming. I don't bother writing boring code when I could just write a few sentences and have it written for me very quickly.

I have 3D artist friends who've also been using AI for years exactly for this purpose. Oh we need a texture for XYZ, easy I'll just generate one. Done!

2 hours ago, Girzo said:

people spending more time commuting because of using bikes

Be curious to hear your reasoning on this. Using a bike means living within biking distance, aka 30 minutes at most. Also people on bikes means less traffic, less traffic means people move faster. Also not everyone's going to switch to bikes, public transport exists. Also it's not like the work day's going to shorten because people are biking to work like ???

[Girzo]

3 hours ago, Emrie said:

Using a bike means living within biking distance, aka 30 minutes at most.

When the cost of gasoline will soar 60 minutes will start to look reasonable. A lot of people already commute over one hour using public transport. People will have to commute longer and in worse weather conditions. There will be a normalization of the situation that weather conditions made someone unable to fulfill their duties.

When cost and time spent is too high people will quit a job and look for a one closer to their living places. Next stage of rationalization of society. Right now you can be sure that if your commute makes sense in terms of time and money it 100% doesn't make sense ecologically.

3 hours ago, Emrie said:

Also people on bikes means less traffic, less traffic means people move faster.

Less traffic means biking is more attractive and faster. You won't be able to afford a new car in the future. Fueling it up will be too costly. There won't be parts to fix your old one. Regulations will prohibit your old car from entering city centers. Taxes will make it so economically stupid to still drive a car.

3 hours ago, Emrie said:

Also not everyone's going to switch to bikes, public transport exists.

In dense human areas yes. Public transport and bikes are going to be on the rise. Public transport is not feasible everywhere, but the gas freed from car use could be used to fuel new generation of combustion-engine buses, but also electric buses and trains are more important. Bike you can use even if you live in the forest and electric bikes are superbly cheap compared to their value and capabilities. Riding an electric bike is less destructive to environment than normal bike, especially with new generation of batteries coming in less than 10 years. Electric bike also deals with cargo well.

3 hours ago, Emrie said:

Also it's not like the work day's going to shorten because people are biking to work like ???

Assuming it's an essential job and not a bullshit one. A lot of bullshit jobs are going out and never going back in the next decades (if things progress the way they are progressing right now, that is no-one is saving the econ-poli system, nor the planet). Less jobs means less hours worked  by a single person at the jobs that are essential. People need to work, so they will share the hours when possible.