Posted January 31, 2023 the fact that you can talk to me means that you are limited -> which means you are in a dream - in an illusion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 37 minutes ago, axiom said: It does nothing to help you navigate life. I disagree wholeheartedly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: rn you are experiencing something whether you like it or not. I am not experiencing anything. 4 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: it is still a fact that you want in some level you want to survive The body seems to want to survive. I am not the body. 5 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: of course, we are both illusioned but we still experiencing the dream and that's a fact. That is not a fact. 5 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: but you rn are living - even if its false, for you rn the dream is real in some way The dream falls away with the self. The self is the dream. 6 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: to be really not in a dream is to not be separated in any shape of form it means that the you will die. You are already dead. You never lived. Life goes on, apparently. 7 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: of course in a sense you are alive and not alive always but that's only in the perspective of god or reality You are not alive. The body seems to be alive. You are not the body. Apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 @AsafTheMagniv Yes, I am in a dream right now because I am not in an awakened state. "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Sincerity said: I disagree wholeheartedly. Perhaps we are talking about different things. In "my" opinion, life cannot be navigated by someone who isn't there. Apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: the fact that you can talk to me means that you are limited -> which means you are in a dream - in an illusion I am not talking to you. These are words on a screen, apparently. Apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 Imagine we weren’t speaking about any person here, but what the universes potential is for consciousness "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thought Art said: Imagine we weren’t speaking about any person here, but what the universes potential is for consciousness There is no such thing as consciousness. Apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Keanu said: I am exactly where I need to be going exactly where I should be. I merely have curiosity about what other ways spirituality can be experienced after awakening. Maybe my 'now what' and 'depth is illusion' was seen as though I'm bored or dismissive, but I can assure you that's not the case. If you are exactly where you should be, why would you want to "pursue something new"? Enlightenment reveals that there are no shoulds or should nots. There is nothing to pursue, or to avoid. The desperate attempt to do so only leads you from yourself. When the light of your ultimate nature is unleashed, it supernovas, banishing apparent boundaries and revealing the same you in every being. You emerge from the cave and see clearly that the cosmos is a phenomenal playground, which can only be fully enjoyed when you are free from the shackles of yourself. These are not poetic platitudes. They are a map, pointing to the territory. They are trying to show you the incomprehensible being that is within, waiting to be realized. When it is, life goes deeply beyond sitting on your ass and blissing out. Every ticking moment of apparent time is too precious to waste in a voracious desire to perpetually "realize more". Here's an exercise that may help. If an oncologist told you that you have terminal pancreatic cancer, and will die in 30 days, what would you do differently than you are doing now? Take that realization and live it. It's not just a hypothetical thought experiment. Make the most of this moment now. Some day it will be your last, and the adventure of the dream will end. Edited January 31, 2023 by Moksha Just because God loves you doesn't mean it is going to shape the cosmos to suit you. God loves you so much that it will shape you to suit the cosmos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 @axiom what does consciousness mean to you? "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 @Thought Art The dream of ownership and thus separation. Apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, Sincerity said: I disagree wholeheartedly. the only thing you can do with knowledge is to use it - there is no other way. you gain nothing from enlightenment other than experiences and knowledge which are the same thing. everything that can be known is knowledge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, axiom said: I am not experiencing anything. The body seems to want to survive. I am not the body. That is not a fact. The dream falls away with the self. The self is the dream. You are already dead. You never lived. Life goes on, apparently. You are not alive. The body seems to be alive. You are not the body. then how are you typing? you want to say to me rn you are not limited? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) @axiom That’s not what I mean by consciousness. By consciousness I mean absolute being. Consciousness = God = Truth = infinity = love Edited January 31, 2023 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, Thought Art said: @AsafTheMagniv Yes, I am in a dream right now because I am not in an awakened state. you will be fully awakened only when you will be everything, when there wont be nothing of you in any way - you can't experience everything, you can't ever be fully awakened because for that to happen there is a need for there to be nothing separated and the fact that something experiencing anything means that you aren't fully awakened Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, AsafTheMagniv said: the only thing you can do with knowledge is to use it - there is no other way. Knowledge is a fallacy. There is only appearance. 1 minute ago, AsafTheMagniv said: experiences and knowledge which are the same thing. Yes, both are appearances involving apparent misapprehensions. 4 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: everything that can be known is knowledge. An equally meaningful statement would be: everything that can be blown is bowledge. 6 minutes ago, AsafTheMagniv said: you gain nothing from enlightenment We can certainly agree on that Apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 the fact that you are alive means that there is to some extent favoritism, good and bad - if you think you are nondual rn and that you are experiencing everything and nothing you are just dreaming in the dream. In the grand scream of things you are god, but rn you are just clowning if you think that you aren't somehow limited rn. god is everything and nothing, and it is also someone who is limited that cant see that he is god - rn you are experiencing limitation that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 @AsafTheMagniv Or you can but it’s a paradox "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 @Thought Art Appearance is already complete. Consciousness is no part of it. The idea of something called consciousness being required for appearance to appear is a hangover from the dream of selfhood. Then, it has outlived its "purpose" and may be dropped. Apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) @axiom appearance is consciousness in my words, and it’s not just mear dumb appearance. It’s absolute intelligence. Collapse it all at once Edited January 31, 2023 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
