Is this the final "Me"?

[inFlow]

Today, while doing my Kriya, I went deep and realized that awareness is what the body does, it's a part of the body. And after that realization a gap between the body + mind + awareness opened up and I detached from all of that and, for a short period, went to this deep Nothingness Void. It's like pure Being, IS'ness without any substance sort to say. That experience was very disturbing for the mind. Like super disturbing to realize what am I.

So my question is - Is this the final "I" or does it go deeper?

[zazen]

Life is so vast, that intellect and logic are unable to contain it. Life contains logic and intellect that is part of man. Logic parts life in an attempt to grasp its immensity and in which man feels an existential angst.

Science is to know the exterior objective physical world, religion is to know the interior subjective world of man. The subject of which is an abyss to the intellect, for the source of who we are, that is God, is vast. A part can’t contain the whole, but is contained by it.

 

We are in a intellectual abyss for we are trying to grasp an abyss beyond logic and duality (subjective), with an intellect that is logical and dual (objective) Man is lost in translation, the translation of realms and dimensions that he is betwixt. The realm of logic and love.

 

Metaphysics is about that which is beyond physics, beyond the laws of the physical world, for we exist within the spiritual,within God, not without. Logic deduces the whole to its parts. In deduction exists reduction. The part tries to get to the whole that is larger than itself.

 

The physical world follows logic, the other world is beyond logic. Logic is science, what is beyond logic is religious. Science is about the seen world, religion about the unseen. It is not that God is dead, but that we are dead to the world of God.

 

People who sense something beyond the objective materialist world, are correct, but not in their interpretation and application of it to the world of physical laws. They try to impose the metaphysical which is illogical and infinite to the physical which is logical and finite.

 

Both exist, but in their respective realms, within reality. Reality encompasses realms, a certain realm cant encompass and be imposed on reality. To fit the metaphysical onto the physical is the issue, its not that we come from the metaphysical, but out of it.

 

We are not apart from the metaphysical, but in process with it, and yet we try to part ourself from it in order to grasp it with our intellect of which it can only grasp the part and not the whole.

 

To tie this into politics, the far left lean into subjective reality denying the objective, the far right objective reality at the cost of the subjective. The spirit is bifurcated through biology but longs to transmute that to which it is born into, back to its source, unity.

 

The trans movement,whether in biology or humanism appeals to the spirit of man but not in the expression it takes in society. It is a hijacking and misinterpretation of the spiritual instinct to transcend. Man wants to transcend the duality of his biology, not transmix biology.

 

If we are subjects experiencing the objective world, then the question arises who is the subject, who am I? Beasts know not that they are, man knows that he is, but not who he is. An awakened one, a prophet knows who he is. Ordinary man is in limbo between these dimensions.

 

The external world is dual, dialectic, syllogistic, logically a place of cause and effect, thesis and antithesis. The interior world is in its essence synthesised. Synthesis isn’t external but internal, of the spirit that is one. We try to synthesis that essence,externally.

 

Mans trouble is his sense of being between the duality of realms, his juvenile awareness of his oneness amongst the duality. His struggle and angst is in comprehending, translating, and existing between these realms, to be in the world and not of it.

 

To partake in life, without parting himself from it through the means of his intellect, which tries to fragment the tapestry of the life to its parts in an attempt to feel at ease with it. The finite can only hold the finite, the mind makes the infinite finite for its sake.

 

To hold life's essence is to be-hold it. To behold, one must first be. The intellect, a lousy master but a good servant clouds this being. Empty the mind and be to be hold life and be held by the essence that is life, that is to be with the infinite, dis-embodied yet embodied.

 

Logic asks why, love asks why not. Logic reduces life to its part, love raises life to its whole. Logic is the realm of the physical world of cause and effect, love the realm of the spiritual world of union. Logic is causal minded, love is union felt.

 

Logic goes through the part, love through the whole. Logic is linear, life non-linear, circular. Alchemising itself. A straight line, taken to its end will circle the earth back to itself. A line is part of a circle, yet we focus only on the line. Behold, the circle of life.

[inFlow]

@zazen A simple yes or no would have been greatly apreciated. 

[Leo Gura]

@inFlow Your experience wasn't wrong, but it is not God-Realization.

You cannot reduce Consciousness down to anything. To grasp Consciousness you must grasp it going upward, at the level of whole.

You reached the bottom of consciousness, but God is found at the top.

It's not that it does deeper, it goes higher.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Leo Gura

[inFlow]

@Leo Gura So God-Realization is seeing, with your own direct experience, that God imagines everything into being using his infinite intelligence?

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, inFlow said:

@Leo Gura So God-Realization is seeing, with your own direct experience, that God imagines everything into being using his infinite intelligence?

Yup

[inFlow]

@Leo Gura Is there more? I definetely experienced God-Realization fairly often. Nothingness Void was a first. In my experience it was way harder and trickier to break through the Nothingness than God-Realization.

[axiom]

@inFlow At the highest levels what you thought you were ceases to exist completely. Or rather, it is exposed that it never existed and was always a misapprehension. For example, all of these thoughts that you are identifying with right now - none of these are yours.

[inFlow]

@axiom Hmm.. Sounds true.. I might be stuck in thought. The "Me" right now seems to be a kind of paradox. You search for yourself, but it seems there is nothing to search/find that you are "That". The "Me" in deeper levels kind of doesn't point to anything. Yet the inquiry keep going.

[axiom]

@inFlow You've just described spirituality. It is eventually seen that all of spirituality is just seeking activity which seems to maintain the sense of separateness. Seeking = the sense of separateness.

The "me" wants to find something to validate itself. Maybe that's because deep down, it knows it isn't real.

[inFlow]

@axiom Thus it keep another deception going. The Mastermind God with his illusions of meanings. A-haa....

[axiom]

@inFlow Right, exactly 

People ask "is enlightenment this or that?", or "how do I reach this level or that level?" etc, without realising they are it already (or rather "it" is "it" already). 

Enlightenment is just being. Just whatever is appearing. End of story.

No meaning can encompass it or make it more than it is. No meaning will take anyone anywhere, but rather the yearning for - and attachment to - apparent meaning veils it and extracts its immediacy. That is the very illusion of separation.

Edited January 28, 2023 by axiom

[inFlow]

@axiom Haha... Wow... In the recent months I no longer saw myself as the body so I thought Who can "attaining" this Enlightenment? If I'am not the body, so who can get Enlightened? The Soul? How can it get Enlightened. That melted away fast and I no longer even thought about reaching it or even the possibility that there is a thing as Enlightenment.

[inFlow]

39 minutes ago, axiom said:

Maybe that's because deep down, it knows it isn't real.

God doesn't want to know Truth. It will break all of it's hard work creating the illusion.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, inFlow said:

Is there more?

Oh yes, so much more.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, inFlow said:

@Leo Gura Is there more? I definetely experienced God-Realization fairly often. Nothingness Void was a first. In my experience it was way harder and trickier to break through the Nothingness than God-Realization.

the infinite absolute is "behind" the void. you have to become absolute emptiness for it to open up and reveal itself as the infinite total potential. becoming absolute infinity is the ultimate realization, I can't imagine anything more than that, it is perfection and glory

[inFlow]

@Breakingthewall thank you.