I've come to a conclusion

[something_else]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

If u masturbate once and u feel very low, there could be some kidney problems i think. But almost anyone who masturbates for 3-5 times in a row will feel the effects of being tired. Isn't that a prove that ejaculation drains energy? And why would u waste that energy even? It's like throwing money away just for the fun of it. How is that smart? ? 

if I eat 2 apples in 30 mins I’m going to feel fine, if I eat 10 apples in 30 minutes I’m going to feel sick

If I do an intense 30 minute workout everyday I’m going to feel good and well exercised, if I do an intense 4 hour workout everyday I’m going to feel exhausted, drained and, overworked

A small amount of something can be healthy while a large amount of the same thing is unhealthy. And that can change per person too.

The amount of energy you lose jacking off is less than you’d lose from a healthy workout by a magnitude of like 10x.

Your body produces semen at the same rate whether you ejaculate or not, so the only physical energy loss is the actual physical effort you use which is probably like 40 calories worth at most

[seriousman24]

I heard it works but only if you're able to lower semen production in the first place, so it's not semen retention/accumulation(expect if it might have some weird occult use), it's having your sexuality redirected or maybe turned off but without suppressing or being tense otherwise it can be useful to do it, its demonized because pleasure is severely misunderstood and underestimated.

I think people should learn to look at pleasure more neutrally, not associate it so much to psychology, you just do the same thing you do when you observe pain/discomfort/suffering, you have to be minimal in your suppression/transformation of any given pleasure to correctly understand it at it's purest level, easier to observe stable pleasures that tend not to change too much like food rather than lets say a hyper complex "pleasure" in a hyper horrific trauma experience, or the pleasure of solving a rubick cube.

Complex memory/event/actions are both pain/pleasure so you need objective observation of both which can then require your observational self itself to have a strong integrated measure of equanimity between these two, if you disfavor or favor either one too much you'll be unable to see what either really is at the highest and "lowest"(fundamental) levels, you have people that demonize pain too obviously but pleasure is horrifically misunderstood because in a way it's "higher" and closer to love/imagination(logic for some people) while pain is "lower" and closer to the body/hate.

It's a masculine/femininize(minimally socio psychological, but it's fully there) energy intelligence thing.

[The Mystical Man]

5 hours ago, Blackbeat said:

Nothing wrong with self sex every once in a while.

"Once in a while" means every single day for most men. The way I see it, that's infantile behavior.

[Salvijus]

@something_else 

14 minutes ago, something_else said:

Your body produces semen at the same rate whether you ejaculate or not, so the only physical energy loss is the actual physical effort you use which is probably like 40 calories worth at most

But then why would someone feel so exhausted after 5 releases in a row? That's very little amount of physical work. There must be leaking of energy that leaves the body in the process i would imagine. It's not a wild guess. It's very likely to be true imo.

[Salvijus]

26 minutes ago, something_else said:

Your body produces semen at the same rate whether you ejaculate or not, so the only physical energy loss is the actual physical effort you use which is probably like 40 calories worth at most

U know the body is producing new blood cells constantly also. And usually we don't feel anything. But when a person loses some amount of blood he will become weak for some time. I think if a person loses like 50% of his blood he may die. Now imagine losing 50% of your semen what it can do ?  (joking)

Edited January 29, 2023 by Salvijus

[something_else]

31 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

@something_else 

But then why would someone feel so exhausted after 5 releases in a row? That's very little amount of physical work. There must be leaking of energy that leaves the body in the process i would imagine. It's not a wild guess. It's very likely to be true imo.

Because anyone who is masturbating that excessively is not doing it for healthy reasons. They’re using it to cope with something, most likely lack of success with girls. The fapping isn’t the root problem, it’s the symptom. And jerking off that much to cope with not getting what you want from girls leaves you feeling empty

You can fuck 5 times in a row and feel fine, or even amazing. Which proves it’s not ejaculation on its own that’s the problem.

[something_else]

25 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

U know the body is producing new blood cells constantly also. And usually we don't feel anything. But when a person loses some amount of blood he will become weak for some time. I think if a person loses like 50% of his blood he may die. Now imagine losing 50% of your semen what it can do ?  (joking)

Blood and semen are not comparable substances, like you said if you lose enough blood you die, if you lost all of your semen you’d be physically fine

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, The Mystical Man said:

"Once in a while" means every single day for most men.

No it doesn't.

3 hours ago, The Mystical Man said:

The way I see it, that's infantile behavior.

Or literally adult behavior.

[eggopm3]

You can damage your dick by jerking off too much. That's a good reason to be moderate with your wankin'. Tho you'd probably gotta be on the far extreme end of the frequency bell curve for that to happen (stimulant addicts who watch porn all day for example). Most guys concerned about jerking off too much are not on that level, but they're out there.

[The Mystical Man]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

No it doesn't.

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Okay, a few times a week for some men.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Or literally adult behavior.

Teens masturbate. Ideally, you'd get a grip on this in your late teens. Or never start. That'd spare you a lot of suffering.

Edited January 30, 2023 by The Mystical Man

[Roy]

41 minutes ago, eggopm3 said:

You can damage your dick by jerking off too much.

I've jerked off and had sex thousands of times, I've yet to "damage" my dick. Unless you are into some weird torture stuff, you're gonna be fine. We evolved to use the damn thing lol.

So much fear mongering, it's not like we are bees where you use your stinger once and it falls off and you die 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Roy

[eggopm3]

19 minutes ago, Roy said:

I've jerked off and had sex thousands of times, I've yet to "damage" my dick. Unless you are into some weird torture stuff, you're gonna be fine. We evolved to use the damn thing lol.

So much fear mongering, it's not like we are bees where you use your stinger once and it falls off and you die 

Not fear mongering, just being realistic. It's a possibility, just not one that the vast majority need to be concerned about however. 

We may have evolved to use the damn thing, but we did not evolve to use the damn thing 20 times a day, high on meth or whatever else, watching porn every waking hour of every day. Guys like that are out there. If you think their dick is coming out of that unscathed you're fooling yourself.

Anyway, my main thought is that it's your dick and you want it to work as best as it can, so you should treat it with respect. Sometimes masturbation is treating it with respect, sometimes it's not. It's all about having a healthy relationship with your own body and sexuality. for some men that means eliminating porn or reducing masturbation, while for others it doesn't.

Edited January 30, 2023 by eggopm3

[The Mystical Man]

13 hours ago, Blackbeat said:

No idea what Mystical Man is on tbh

I'm on JJJ. 

@Leo Gura Btw, can you change my name to Mystical Man?

[Salvijus]

@something_else I actually believe it's healthy for avarege man to masturbate once in a while bc they don’t know how to transmute the energy. So it drives them crazy. It's better if they get rid of it to get the peace of mind. 

However, i feel with simple thought experiment we can see that some energy loss is definitely happening. For a spiritual seeker that becomes a waste imo.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Salvijus

[vishnusavestheday]

@Salvijus

 

15 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I just don’t see how can u be so confident when everyone can clearly feel it it's true. Many people will feel the energy loss effects just after one release

Honestly the energy boost went away for me after about the 50th day. I lapsed on the 63rd day or something, shortly after I started school and began microdosing again. It just felt like an unresolved inner conflict eventually, not a disciplinary test. And more and more like a dragging need to resent other people. And I don't like resenting people more than I have to, dude. I'm already a vegan.

 

Overall though, I'm satisfied with the progress I made. I had never exceeded 29 days before that streak, so blowing through 2 months was a surprise and a half with a little cherry on top.

 

But still, I have an ambivalent feeling about the inner strength I had gained from retention. I felt like a zoo animal or a bull. You can almost emasculate yourself from the self respect, pride, and guilt you have to deal with on a momentary basis. You can tell yourself to be strong, be strong, be strong, but I also want to think about other things. It also made me obsessed with relationship searching-- going on dating apps every day, shunning photos of women on social media, etc. Since my schedule suddenly became busier, I am not looking for a relationship right now. Retention, though I may give it credit for making my life so abundant in the past 6 months, felt like something I wanted to give up on.

 

Please do respond if you feel inclined. I'd love to hear what you or @The Mystical Man has to say.

[Salvijus]

18 minutes ago, vishnusavestheday said:

And I don't like resenting people more than I have to, dude. I'm already a vegan.

Lol.

18 minutes ago, vishnusavestheday said:

But still, I have an ambivalent feeling about the inner strength I had gained from retention. I felt like a zoo animal or a bull

Yea. That's not good imo. I actually don't recommend people doing semen retention if they don’t know how to transmute the energy. It just builds up and drives u crazy. It's better do just release once in a while.

Semen retention needs to be cojoined with some spiritual discipline that enables u to transmute that energy. Otherwise it sits there and beggs for expression. Sexual energy is not a passive energy. The energy wants to be expressed somehow. So u have only two options, transmute it into higher energy. Or release it. If you’re in between. You'll go crazy ? and it's a daily dicipline.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

14 minutes ago, vishnusavestheday said:

Honestly the energy boost went away for me after about the 50th day.

That's a common experience i believe.

[something_else]

3 hours ago, Salvijus said:

That's a common experience i believe.

I think it’s a common experience in the nootropics community as well

[Salvijus]

@something_else :)

 

[The Mystical Man]

I agree with @Salvijus. You can't do semen retention for its own sake. You have to transmute the energy. Go to the gym and do creative work.