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[Carl-Richard]

27 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura All three of them are ENTJ’s, along with Ron Desantis, George Santos, Steven crowder, Tim pool, and, you guessed it, Hitler. The worst of the worst. 

And none of them could ever think about speaking for a living? 

[BipolarGrowth]

8/40

[vladorion]

39 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura All three of them are ENTJ’s, along with Ron Desantis, George Santos, Steven crowder, Tim pool, and, you guessed it, Hitler. The worst of the worst. 

What makes people like Desantis or Tim Pool the worst of the worst? Being conservative?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, vladorion said:

What makes people like Desantis or Tim Pool the worst of the worst? Being conservative?

You can't deny that there's def some correlation between being the worst and being conservative

Edited January 29, 2023 by Leo Gura

[vladorion]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't deny that there's def some correlation between being the worst and being conservative

That's your bias.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, vladorion said:

That's your bias.

Or yours.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Leo Gura

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura ENTJ’s have four characteristics: Extroverted, direct (not talkative), intuitive (abstract) and intellectual. 

Not all ENTJ’s are bad (just most). They are extreme bullies. 

Jimmy kimmel is the only ENTJ I know who’s on the left. Almost all Republican politicians are ENTJ’s. The ones that aren’t are INTJ’s. 

Edited January 29, 2023 by How to be wise

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Not all ENTJ’s are bad (just most).

Sounds way too simplistic.

[How to be wise]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Sounds way too simplistic.

ENTJ’s first cognitive function is Te, Extraverted Thinking. They don’t care about what’s true. For them, what other people believe to be true is the only thing that matters. If you can make everybody believe it, then it will be true. That’s why they focus more on belief than reality.

[Carl-Richard]

21 hours ago, How to be wise said:

ENTJ’s first cognitive function is Te, Extraverted Thinking. They don’t care about what’s true. For them, what other people believe to be true is the only thing that matters. If you can make everybody believe it, then it will be true. That’s why they focus more on belief than reality.

Technically, Ti doesn't care about what is true, only what is logically valid. You could argue Te is more concerned about truth than Ti. Ti-dominants can get very hung up on running down trees of logic without thinking much about where the trees have their roots. Te-dominants are more concerned about where to plant the tree, often guided by concepts like wisdom (collective or personal), which is not reducible to pure logic, and which skews towards traditionalism.

TeFis like to ask things like: "why should you value your own logical conclusions over the rest of humanity?", while TiFes like to say: "I do things my way, and if it works, it works". Then the TeFi asks: "but who decides if it works or not, or how it works? Yourself? Is it all just about logic? Do you not know about self-deception mechanisms, the limits of logic, the power of standing on the shoulders of giants, the durability of tradition, the power of cross-referencing history for perennial truths? etc.) Then the TiFe is like: "meh, these things are also flawed".

Edited January 29, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[John Iverson]

Here is mine. 

[Socrates]

not a good look ?

[Blackbeat]

On 27/01/2023 at 11:58 PM, mmKay said:

Got a 16. If I had done this before i got into personal development I would have scored way lower.

Dayum.

[Blackbeat]

Phew I am in the clear, or am I? The Leo himself sorta scores surprisingly low, I really do know barely anything about the Leo!

[Tristan12]

On 1/27/2023 at 7:04 PM, Osaid said:

I'm not even a celebrity, though, so I don't even have a good excuse for the score  

Says the guy who's an Actualized.org moderator...

[How to be wise]

@Carl-Richard No. Ti does care about truth. What’s logical to someone is what’s true to them. Te on the other hand only cares about the belief of others. 

[Tristan12]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Self-hatred is what a narcissist would experience if he started doing serious spiritual work on himself. Which is exactly why he will never do it.

Here's how it works: It's easy to love yourself when you bullshit yourself about how great you are. But this is just lies. It's much harder to love yourself as you truly are, without all the facades and lies. Imagine if you convinced yourself that you are hotter than Brad Pitt. This would make it easier for you to love yourself. But then you would have to avoid looking in the mirror and facing the truth and learning to love the truth. So that's exactly what a narcissist is doing. He's thinks he's got everyone fooled, but really he's only fooling himself and a handful of fools who worship him.

In childhood, when there is some kind of abuse or the child is unable to get its needs met in one way or another, if the child finds a way to manipulate to get its needs met, it becomes co-dependant. When co-dependant people are super nice all the time to the extent where they let people walk all over them, they do this to get approval and connection, because from their trauma, they have learned that that's the only way they can get it.

When co-dependants continue to take abuse from people they are in relationships with instead of leaving, it's because they are desperate for connection and are terrified of being abandoned, and they figure that a toxic and dysfunctional person wouldn't have anybody else who would want to be around them, so this dysfunctional person essentially needs them, thus guaranteeing the co-dependant connection. You can see how all of a co-dependant's behaviours that appear to be so nice and selfless on the surface are really done completely out of their own self-interest, and they are just manipulating to get their own needs met. Co-dependancy is entirely based in selfishness.

For a narcissist, they went through the same kind of trauma and had unmet needs in childhood, but for them, there was no way to manipulate to get their needs met, so in that case, narcissism develops, where the person completely stops caring about the needs of others and becomes entirely concerned with their own self-interest, steam-rolling anyone and anything in their path. It's really their only option to get their needs met at that point. A narcissist basically becomes locked in a bubble of their own self-interest and is unable to see how they are hurting anyone. For a narcissist to become aware of that, they would have to face and admit to all the pain they hold within themselves that caused them to be this way in the first place, because the bubble they're in is the only way they've been able to get their needs met, and as soon as you remove that, they see how hurt, unloved and deprived of their needs they've been.

Both narcissism and co-dependancy are styles of relating people based completely on the person's own self-interest and what they are trying to get out of the other person. They are created through trauma and especially shame, because they learn that this need/this part of you is not okay and is not going to be loved which leads to them having to figure out other ways to get their needs met. Because of this, I feel like a more accurate explanation is that if a narcissist looked within and became conscious of his actions, he would see all of the shame and hurt he feels within. Deep down narcissists feel deep levels of shame. Self-hatred is separate thing. (Of course he may begin to feel self-hatred if he became aware of how much he has hurt people, but the root cause of narcissism is shame, not self-hate).

Of course narcissists don't really love themselves based on what love really means. They are just obsessed with their own self-interest and their own needs and agenda, which of course comes with a lot of egotism and arrogance and makes it look like they love themselves a lot. That's why if you asked a narcissist if they liked or loved themselves they would say of course, but it's not real love, it's just an adaptation to cover up deep shame underneath.

[Egodeathrow]

20, Take of it what you will.

[UpperMaster]

I got score 16. What I didn't like about the test is that majority of the time my answer wasn't any of the ones available. 

What I thought was interesting is the graphed scores, as I felt it was surprisingly accurate (although maybe I am biased). I would expect myself to be pretty entitled but I rally don't like exploiting people. 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by UpperMaster

[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, How to be wise said:

@Carl-Richard No. Ti does care about truth. What’s logical to someone is what’s true to them. Te on the other hand only cares about the belief of others. 

You don't know the difference between logic and truth?

Edited January 29, 2023 by Carl-Richard