INTJ vs INTP in action

[Carl-Richard]

If you want to see the differences between INTJ and INTP in action, watch the debate between Daniel Haqiqatjou and Destiny on Andrew Tate's human trafficking charges (when it comes out, or try to find a clip channel). You can see that Daniel is so deeply immersed in all these surrounding narratives; about Islam, about Julian Assange, the international role of the US in stopping sex trafficking, US standards of due process, Tate's rape charges, the child porn scandal of PornHub, etc.; that he fails to spot the very obvious error in logic he is making. He is essentially drawing on all these disparate external examples, weaves them into a narrative, and says "isn't that evidence enough that we should doubt the legitimacy of the arrest?", while Destiny tries to bring it back to "but do you have any evidence about this specific case?", or "so again, I'm here to talk about Tate's sex trafficking charges in Romania, not [...]". That is Te vs. Ti for you.  It's the difference between building a mostly empirical case vs. a mostly rational case, and in this case, the mostly empirical case is way too indiscriminate and imprecise imo (hence, Destiny refers to it as a "conspiracy theory"). Had the empirical case been less driven by personal affiliations and more grounded in the specific case, maybe it would've turned out different, but if we grant the internal workings of MBTI, that is usually not the case (TeFi do be like that). 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[zurew]

For anyone who is interested here is the debate:

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Daniel Haqiqatjou

This guy wasn't prepared at all, he was all over the place, he brought up a bunch of irrelevant things that had nothing to do with the specific subject at hand, and basically had nothing to refute the evidence that Destiny brought up.

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You can see that Daniel is so deeply immersed in all these surrounding narratives; about Islam, about Julian Assange, the international role of the US in stopping sex trafficking, US standards of due process, Tate's rape charges, the child porn scandal of PornHub, etc.; that he fails to spot the very obvious error in logic he is making. He is essentially drawing on all these disparate external examples, weaves them into a narrative and says "isn't that evidence enough that we should doubt the legitimacy of the arrest?",

The arguments that Daniel brought up were horrible and are indefensible. The idea that if you don't have pictures and or videos about women being chained to stuff, or trafficked then you can't build a confident case about someone being a sex trafficker - that standard is crazy, and for someone who so much cares about banning all things related to sex work, its very interesting that he would have so insanely high standards, that would cause basically almost all sex trafficker to get away with their crimes.

His other idea, that if you don't have a completely rigid definition for sex trafficking, then you have no chance in deciding whether someone actually did sex trafficking or not - is also an indefensible and stupid claim, because the logical extension of that argument is that any definiton of crime that has some level of subjectivity to it - are crimes that you can't and shouldn't charge anyone with.

Edited January 24, 2023 by zurew

[Dryas]

Destiny often uses empirics in his debates though. Does that make him Te or Ti? I think “empirics” is not a good definition for Te (or it’s incomplete.)
 

Also, I feel like I don’t buy Daniel is intj. He seems too stupid to be one 

 

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Dryas said:

Destiny often uses empirics in his debates though. Does that make him Te or Ti? I think “empirics” is not a good definition for Te (or it’s incomplete.)

When it comes to INTP vs INTJ, the amount of Te vs Ti is mainly a question about degrees and whether it's mainly driven by personal affiliation or rationality. Destiny read up on the specific facts on the specific case because that is highly relevant to the topic, while Daniel mostly drew upon a wide range of different topics that are familiar to him. He didn't even know who the "policewoman" was.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[LordFall]

5 hours ago, zurew said:

This guy wasn't prepared at all, he was all over the place, he brought up a bunch of irrelevant things that had nothing to do with the specific subject at hand, and basically had nothing to refute the evidence that Destiny brought up.

I'm glad that debates and intellectualism are becoming more popular but they really need to iron out a format for it otherwise it always turns into one of the sides just aimlessly ranting. There should be a clear question being posed, a clear context for said question and the positions should be clear as well.

Otherwise might as well call this 3 hours of jumbled nonsense, I rather get high and watch anime. 

[How to be wise]

@Carl-Richard They’re both definitely INTPs. INTJs are direct, which means that they can’t talk for a long time, unlike those two. Curt Jaimungal is an INTJ. You haven’t seen him giving long speeches very often have you. 

[Carl-Richard]

26 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Carl-Richard They’re both definitely INTPs. INTJs are direct, which means that they can’t talk for a long time, unlike those two. Curt Jaimungal is an INTJ. You haven’t seen him giving long speeches very often have you. 

I didn't know "directness" was a cognitive function  I think your observation is a bit on the vague side. People talk a lot during debates, because you need to respond to the points the other person is making. I think it's more useful to look at what they're talking about, and they're very different in that respect.
 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[How to be wise]

@Carl-Richard No, the amount of talking is what it’s about. Direct means you only answer the question, while informatives talk all day. If you want to see the difference between informative and direct in a debate, see this one. David wood is an INTJ, while Daniel haqiqatou, the guy you posted about, is an INTP. See who does more of the talking: 

 

[Carl-Richard]

@How to be wise What type is Leo?

[How to be wise]

@Carl-Richard INTP. If someone can lecture for several hours, they are definitely informative. 

[Carl-Richard]

56 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Carl-Richard INTP. If someone can lecture for several hours, they are definitely informative. 

So there are no INTJ teachers or professors?

[How to be wise]

53 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

So there are no INTJ teachers or professors?

Teachers yes, since they can just read from their prepared material. Much rarer to find a direct professor though. Almost all professors are informatives: NPs and SFs.

[Carl-Richard]

16 hours ago, How to be wise said:

Teachers yes, since they can just read from their prepared material. Much rarer to find a direct professor though. Almost all professors are informatives: NPs and SFs.

ISTJ, the most "direct" type, talking uninterrupted for an hour:

 

Things like speaking time or amount of information provided depends on context. If you've been invited to speak for an hour about yourself, and you accept the invitation, you'll do that regardless of your type. The same logic applies to any format with a rigid structure, like debates. In such cases, it's better to look at "what" the person is saying. Notice how much he uses Si, how linear and precise his storytelling is.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[How to be wise]

@Carl-Richard He spends the entire time talking about a story or stories that happened to him. Any direct person can do that. You just have to recall what happened. Notice it’s exactly like reading notes of a paper, instead of a paper it’s your memory.

Informatives love to talk all the time, and their careers will reflect that. Most of them will choose jobs where they get to talk (or write) most of the time. 

As an aside, he’s obviously an ISTP. You just can’t confuse the two.

[Carl-Richard]

@How to be wise What do you think about people who think Leo is an INTJ? What are they getting wrong? Do you understand how they can come to that conclusion?

[Carl-Richard]

I just had an interesting insight. If ExFJs are the best teachers, are IxTPs the best learners? Just think about it: what is teaching? An outwards movement of information. What is learning? An inwards movement of information. ExFJs and IxTPs have the same functions, just in the reverse order. So literally, what the one type is best at, the other is best at doing in the reverse.

What could be other similar dynamics? ExTJs are the best leaders, while IxFPs are the best followers? 

[How to be wise]

16 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@How to be wise What do you think about people who think Leo is an INTJ? What are they getting wrong? Do you understand how they can come to that conclusion?

Leo’s entire career is built on talking. His videos, the forum, the blog. It’s all about talking. No direct person could dream of doing it.

16 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

ExTJs are the best leaders, 

I don’t want to discriminate based on MBTI, but ENTJ’s are literally the worst people ever. Literally every evil person you can think of is an ENTJ. Hitler was an ENTJ. Trump is an ENTJ. Andre Tate, Saddam Hussein, Netanyahu, Steven crowder, Tim pool, Ron DeSantis, George Santos, etc. Most Republican politicians are ENTJs. If the world could do without one type, it’s definitely this one.

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, How to be wise said:

Leo’s entire career is built on talking. His videos, the forum, the blog. It’s all about talking. No direct person could dream of doing it.

 

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What MBTI personality types are most commonly university lecturers or professors?

It is difficult to say which MBTI personality type is most commonly found among university lecturers or professors, as there have been limited studies on the subject. However, it has been suggested that the INTJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judging) personality type may be overrepresented among professors and university lecturers, as this type is characterized by their ability to think critically and independently, their love of complex ideas and theories, and their ability to plan and organize effectively. However, it is important to note that this is just a theory and there is no scientific evidence to support it.

https://chat.openai.com/chat

 

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4. Professor

INTJ is by far the most common personality type among university faculty.

https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/collections/intj-careers/

 

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They Love Learning

INTJs are passionate when it comes to learning, as well as being able to teach others. This is why they can become such inspired teachers, since they want to be able to spread information as best they can.

https://personalitygrowth.com/intj-teachers-how-intjs-respond-to-being-teachers/

 

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Any INTJ Teacher/Professors out there?

I've been doing a lot of tutoring recently (in architecture/design/programming), and I realized that I enjoy it and am pretty good at it, due in part to my intelligence, quick grasp of concepts, ability to communicate, and patience for those not as knowledgeable as I (or is it me?) .

I've been on here for a while, but I don't recall seeing "educator" very often every time I see one of those "What do you do" threads pop up.

So, how many of you are teachers/professors, and why are you good at what you do? Conversely, why could you never be an educator?

https://www.reddit.com/r/intj/comments/1yylt4/any_intj_teacherprofessors_out_there/

 

[How to be wise]

@Carl-Richard They’re wrong. The most common type as professors are ENTPs. No doubt.

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Carl-Richard They’re wrong. The most common type as professors are ENTPs. No doubt.

Four separate sources are just all wrong