Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Raptorsin7 said: It really is. Can you show me where any of these teachers gave 1 liner responses that death is an illusion without further elaboration to an audience littered with mental illness? Here is one such one-liner: 1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said: defended the actions of a pedo with the truism that all is love. Yeah, compassion = bad Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said: What is your definition of stealing money? Thats totally irrelevant what my definition is. What he did was this: when you say that I will pay the taxes for you, when in reality you don't pay any taxes. If that doesn't scummy or criminal activity to you, then I don't know what is. 4 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said: Links. And what was the age of the child. There is plenty of material in this thread, you can look through for all of the videos and twitter links: Edited January 17, 2023 by zurew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) @Raptorsin7 I personally think, that over time as you mature you will make finer distinctions between Andrew and Leo. Right now it’s confusing and difficult. It’s hard because you love Tate a lot and it seems we are demonizing him. No, we aren’t demonizing. We have values of behaviour we think can be dangerous in society. That includes rape, abusing women, grooming young teens, selling drugs, trafficking women, hustling/ scamming men. It’s not Tate, but these actions. Leo refuses to sleep with sloppy drunk girls, admits he didn’t sleep with a super drunk girl which many guys like Tate would… and, if Leo is found a crimes we would want to hold him accountable as well. Edited January 17, 2023 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 @Consept Yes I would agree that if everyone followed that advice it could be damaging. But again, i'd still argue that pushing suicidal beliefs onto an impressionable audience is worse. I've met women who wanted to get into only fans. I could have gotten into a relationship with them and we both could have made a lot of money, and it's likely that without the male influence these women would make little to no money. So it's actually reasonable that he would take most of the money the venture. These women have a choice if they want to engage in sex work with Tate, i doubt 99% of these women are the victims that Tate's haters are making them out to be. But once again when we're talking about the influence on young minds, I can check anything you say about Tate and raise you harm Leo has expressed for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) @Raptorsin7 Leo does not push suicidal beliefs on people. That’s retarded. He promotes living the best life! Leo’s work is just deep and nuanced. The thing is, culture and young minds have so much other factors involved in their mental health. Blaming Leo is sort of silly. Though, yes, this work of awakening is dangerous. There’s nothing wrong with a girl doing porn if she chooses. However, Tate’s situation seems to be different. Like holding these girls against their will and taking half their earnings. Edited January 17, 2023 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, zurew said: Thats totally irrelevant what my definition is. What he did was this: when you say that I will pay the taxes for you, when in reality you don't pay any taxes. If that doesn't scummy or criminal activity to you, then I don't know what is. I don't think tax evasion is that bad. And it's kind of scummy, but I don't think it's that bad. And again it's relative to Leo, I'd be willing to bet Leo did his fair share of scummy things when he ran his internet marketing business, which he himself admitted to in the past. And as far what scummy or criminal activity is, I say it's callously expressing harmful beliefs and perspectives callously to an audience of mentally ill young people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said: Manipulating women, not caring about women, admitting to be doing shady things in the past, etc all things Leo is guilty of as well. But again you don't have the same energy for Leo, I wonder why that is? Hmm His comments about women/dating are probably the number one criticism Leo gets on here. Actually Leo gets criticised a fair bit on here thinking about it. I haven’t seen any especially bad comments about dating/women from Leo in a while so it seems like he at least has the ability to change his own behaviour. Same goes for the suicide issue. I haven’t seen any especially bad one liners that might directly inspire someone to do anything stupid in a long time. There are also many disclaimers that you should not follow actualized.org content if you’re not mentally stable and in a good place. I don’t really know what more he could do whilst also still teaching his ideas. There is plenty to criticise Leo for but it still feels like a stretch to say he’s on the same level of toxicity as someone like Tate. Certainly not 10x more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Thought Art said: @Raptorsin7 Leo does not push suicidal beliefs on people. That’s retarded. He promotes living the best life! Yeah he promotes living your best life! In time as you mature maybe you'll wake up to the reality of what this forum is and what Leo is really about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) @Raptorsin7 Yeah, what’s this personal development forum all about? If it’s so bad, why you here? Edited January 17, 2023 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 @something_else Leo gets criticized constantly on here ahaha. I give him a hard time. "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said: I say it's callously expressing harmful beliefs and perspectives callously to an audience of mentally ill young people I think its definitely problematic for mentally unstable people, but he either do the big reach kind of broadcasting type of teaching or an exclusive cult type of teaching method (where he could screen for mentally ill people), which one is better? Edited January 17, 2023 by zurew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Thought Art said: @Raptorsin7 Leo does not push suicidal beliefs on people. That’s retarded. He promotes living the best life! Any suicides would be due to a misunderstanding of Leo's intended message, while any sex trafficking operations would be due to a proper understanding of Tate's intended message Edited January 17, 2023 by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 @Carl-Richard Rupert's audience is not even in the same world as Leo's. Look at Rupert's comments section and his audience, you aren't seeing a lot of schizo and mentally young people. And I think Rupert has his own flaws and I think that title is worth criticizing, but again it's in the same realm as what Leo does. Leo's harm is caused by his lack of empathy for his audience and his arrogance and narcissism in how he expresses his views. It's pretty dishonest to compare Rupert's video to how Leo has dealt with the topic of death and suicide on the foum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) @Raptorsin7 Leo teaches life purpose, integrity, big picture thinking, contemplation, proper use of mind expanded substances, meditation, high conscious business, Truth, What is God?, epistemology, understanding good and evil, how to love, self inquiry, self deception, love, healthy pick up… Tate teaches young men to treat women like shit, how to traffic them, how to be a selfish cocky asshole, etc… jeez man. Okay, last post for the night. Best wishes to all! Edited January 17, 2023 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thought Art said: @Raptorsin7 Yeah, what’s this personal development forum all about? If it’s so bad, why you here? This is a place where Leo gets to live out his narcissistic fantasy of being superior to other people and having his students and followers who hang on his word. I'm here because i'm bored and killing time until I can go a retreat and do the real work, which 99% of this forum doesn't seem interested in. The truth gets you banned here so maybe my time will come soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Raptorsin7 said: @Carl-Richard Rupert's audience is not even in the same world as Leo's. Look at Rupert's comments section and his audience, you aren't seeing a lot of schizo and mentally young people. You don't know that. I for one discovered Rupert's videos before Leo's forum. Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said: Any suicides would be due to a misunderstanding of Leo's intended message, while any sex trafficking operations would be due to a proper understanding of Tate's intended message Attracting women and forming a web cam business is not sex trafficking. It's such a loaded term and the way it's being used on here makes it seem like Tate is running his own version of the evil mafia from Taken. Any suicides would be the karmic consequence of a guy who doesn't have empathy and has no business teaching or being an authority on a subject that he's completely deluded on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said: you aren't seeing a lot of schizo and mentally young people. You definitely can. All spirituality and purpose kind of teaching brings a ton of vulnerable , weak,mentally unstable people, together because all of these people are thirsty for advice to get out from their own hell. Edited January 17, 2023 by zurew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said: This is a place where Leo gets to live out his narcissistic fantasy of being superior to other people and having his students and followers who hang on his word. I'm here because i'm bored and killing time until I can go a retreat and do the real work, which 99% of this forum doesn't seem interested in. The truth gets you banned here so maybe my time will come soon Okay last post, promise. What kind of retreat? What real work? Forget, Leo honestly. He is trying to teach you to be your own man, realize you are God and to live the best life. Who gives a shit. You come to a teachers forum and expect him not to teach? It’s not about Leo for me… but consuming all resources. I feel like I get a lot of different perspectives, teachers, books, practices and tools for direct insight here. Edited January 17, 2023 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) It attracts "schizos" because in my experience "schizos" are often very open-minded and out there. Leo can be similarly so. They like to stretch their mind. Stretch the boundaries and barriers of their mind and it gets them into trouble. They'll be attracted to sources that will be kinda "Alice in Wonderland" like. They are talented because they are on psychedelics without being on psychedelics. There are pros and cons to everything. Edited January 17, 2023 by Kore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
