I still like Andrew Tate. Change my mind

[Kore]

15 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Take a depressed person and let them follow around Andrew Tate for a month and they will improve. Take that same person and make them follow around Leo and they'll either be dead or in a mental hospital.

Dude has a point.  Tate reminds me of my ex.  Not a pleasant fellow to be sure but he did fundamentally improve me as a human being.  Leo was a strong reason I went to the mental hospital. 

[Raptorsin7]

1 minute ago, Kore said:

Dude has a point.  Tate reminds me of my ex.  Not a pleasant fellow to be sure but he did fundamentally improve me as a human being.  Leo was a strong reason I went to the mental hospital. 

My whole point is the demonization and criticism of Tate is hypocrisy and devilry.

I think Leo is doing his best and I think he has a lot of potential to do a lot of good, but yeah if you can see with any degree of clarity, Tate is not the monster you demons think he is.

[Kore]

2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

My whole point is the demonization and criticism of Tate is hypocrisy and devilry.

I think Leo is doing his best and I think he has a lot of potential to do a lot of good, but yeah if you can see with any degree of clarity, Tate is not the monster you demons think he is.

I agree.  Well said. 

[Carl-Richard]

27 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@Carl-Richard @Thought Art So we've had two suicides on the forum. Leo has countless times expressed the view in jest that there is no death, death is love, etc. Imagine how a suicidal person would interpret this? It's also clear that this forum is populated by suicidal people so the fact that Leo still expressed those views with such little regard for the psychology of his audience is grossly negligent. 

Being grossly negligent towards an impressionable suicidal audience and expressing views as an authority that clearly would enhance the likely hood that someone would commit suicide is pretty BAD if you ask me. 

You could make the case that some spiritual teachings should ideally be locked behind doors and only shared in an intimate teacher-student relationship, as was the case traditionally. However, if we look at the current reality, "death is an illusion, etc." is a common trope which has existed all throughout history in various religions, and today, there are thousands of YouTube videos from especially the Advaita community where this is mouthed ad nauseum. It's virtually certain that a Leo follower who is interested in spirituality already knows about this information. But sure, I think spirituality in general needs an ethical revamping. However, this is not even in the same ballpark as abusing and traumatizing tons of women in a sex trafficking operation aimed to only benefit yourself and sharing a step-by-step guide on how to do those exact things to millions on the internet.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Raptorsin7]

@Carl-Richard It's subjective what is worse. 

Gross negligence regarding topics that can tip your mentally fragile followers over the edge is pretty bad. We don't know even for certain the extent of what Tate did and the effect he had.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Raptorsin7 said:

It's subjective what is worse. 

Well, that erases all the points you just made about Leo being 10x as toxic as Tate. Regardless, I don't think you sincerely believe that repeating a New-Age trope of "you're immortal" is 10x worse than sharing a step-by-step guide on how to sex traffic innocent women.

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Well, that erases all the points you just made about Leo being 10x as toxic as Tate. Regardless, I don't think you sincerely believe that repeating a New-Age trope of "you're immortal" is 10x worse than sharing a step-by-step guide on how to sex traffic innocent women.

Where did he share a step by step guide on how to traffic innocent women? Everything you're saying about Tate is purely speculation. Nothing has been proven. At this point everything about Leo is hard facts, with Tate we have no idea the truth.

I wouldn't expect a guy who's entire life course is dictated by fear of the truth to have an honest discussion tbh

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Raptorsin7 said:

Where did he share a step by step guide on how to traffic innocent women?

 

 

[Raptorsin7]

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[zurew]

7 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Where did he share a step by step guide on how to traffic innocent women? Everything you're saying about Tate is purely speculation. Nothing has been proven. At this point everything about Leo is hard facts, with Tate we have no idea the truth.

I wouldn't expect a guy who's entire life course is dictated by fear of the truth to have an honest discussion tbh

He literally did his own self snitching and he literally described his pimping process, how he stole money from the girls, how he lied about taxes, how he had a criminal past and he had to flush his phone down the toilet. He literally marketed and bragged about not just in youtube videos but on his own website how to manipulate women and how he doesn't give a fuck about women, that he doesn't really care what women goes through as long as he can achieve his success and money goals. At this point you not knowing about any of these things, just demonstrates that you actually doesn't care about honestly evaluating Tate's character.

We wouldn't expect you who's entire life is dictated and determined by Andrew Tate's ideology to think for yourself or to ever care about entertaining the possibility that your God could have done anything bad.

[Raptorsin7]

@zurew I have never said Tate is an angel with 0 flaws. My point is the demonization and criticism from guys like you is hilarious given we're on Leo's forum. In my view promoting suicidal ideology to a schizo audience is worse than the things Tate has been accused of being. Manipulating women, not caring about women, admitting to be doing shady things in the past, etc all things Leo is guilty of as well. But again you don't have the same energy for Leo, I wonder why that is? Hmm.

Are you really that dense that you think I am committed to Tate's ideology or think he's a god lol? I know the sheep on this forum can be delusional but come on man. At least fake some honesty and integrity

[zurew]

7 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

all things Leo is guilty of as well.

Sex traffiking, grooming children, hitting women, stealing money? Go ahead and show where and when leo did those things, or where did he get accused of those things?

Also when did Leo got rich by manipulating 70+ women into doing sex work for him and stealing most of their money, lying about taxes to them?

When did Leo create money with doing casino business and by that fucking over a lot of people and make them addicted to it?

7 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Are you really that dense that you think I am committed to Tate's ideology or think he's a god lol? I know the sheep on this forum can be delusional but come on man. At least fake some honesty and integrity

Yeah for sure, I can know with a very high probability from the words you are using, from the thiking process you are using , and from the fact that you are autistically defending him from stuff that he already agreed to doing.

Edited January 17, 2023 by zurew

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, zurew said:

Sex traffiking, grooming children, hitting women, stealing money? Go ahead and show where and when leo did those things, or where did he get accused of those things?

Where is the clear evidence of sex trafficking? Where is the evidence of him grooming CHILDREN? Where is the evidence of him stealing money?

This is stuff is all hearsay and circumstantial, you don't actually know the truth about any of these things. What happened to guilty until proven innocent? There's a charitable interpretation to everything you wrote but you're too dense and biased to see it. Might be the autism flaring up.

I can show you where Leo displayed a gross negligence in expressing harmful beliefs that likely led many people to suicide or psychosis. I can show you where Leo has admitted to going out and picking up and being with women who are drunk/under the influence while he's sober. I can show you where Leo talked about going to a women's apartment who was so drunk she was virtually passed out and he barely decided not to get with her. Again, I really don't want to drag Leo here but the hypocrisy is something else here and i'm getting tired of Leo feeding the fire with his grift.

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

In my view promoting suicidal ideology to a schizo audience is worse than the things Tate has been accused of being.

This is just not reasonable. I don't know how to make you see this. Would you say the same thing for Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, etc.?

[zurew]

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Where is the evidence of him grooming CHILDREN

Logs of him doing it.

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Where is the evidence of him stealing money?

He literally described that in his own videos multiple times.

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Where is the clear evidence of sex trafficking?

He desrcibed it himself and told that pimping is not that bad and that he did pimping.

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

This is just not reasonable. I don't know how to make you see this. Would you say the same thing for Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, etc.?

It really is. Can you show me where any of these teachers gave 1 liner responses that death is an illusion without further elaboration to an audience littered with mental illness? 

Better yet i'd love to hear where these teachers gaslit their audience into believing they 0 have trauma and defended the actions of a pedo with the truism that all is love.

If you're trying to make me see that Leo is not worth demonizing and Tate is then you won't be able to because it's not true.

[Raptorsin7]

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

Logs of him doing it.

Links. And what was the age of the child.

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

He literally described that in his own videos multiple times.

What is your definition of stealing money?

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

He desrcibed it himself and told that pimping is not that bad and that he did pimping.

Again, we can argue about how bad it is to be a pimp and exploit vulnerable men who want love and affection. But whatever that amounts to I'll call it and raise you a narcissistic cult leader who callously pushes a suicidal ideology onto his followers with little empathy and emotional understanding of the consequences of his actions.

[Consept]

3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@zurew I have never said Tate is an angel with 0 flaws. My point is the demonization and criticism from guys like you is hilarious given we're on Leo's forum. In my view promoting suicidal ideology to a schizo audience is worse than the things Tate has been accused of being. Manipulating women, not caring about women, admitting to be doing shady things in the past, etc all things Leo is guilty of as well. But again you don't have the same energy for Leo, I wonder why that is? Hmm.

Are you really that dense that you think I am committed to Tate's ideology or think he's a god lol? I know the sheep on this forum can be delusional but come on man. At least fake some honesty and integrity

I'm not really about demonising anyone but I just want to push back on your perspective a little. I think your issue seems to be more hypocrisy on the forum ie people saying Tate is bad and not looking at the flaws of say Leo who you think is potentially worse than Tate. 

So your perspective being correct is based essentially who's worse Leo or Tate? Would your position change if Tate was found guilty? Keep in mind he has himself released a guide on how to traffic women, get them into the webcam business and keep them there by getting them to fall in love with him, whilst taking 70% of their money under false pretences and avoid paying tax. He also explicitly talks about how he takes advantage of lonely men and makes them fall in love with the cam girls to extract as much money from them as possible.  These are all things that have come out of his mouth and that he's advised other people to do. Now regardless of Leo and any hypocrisy on the forum, would you say this is someone you would advise young, potentially vulnerable boys to follow or would you say that it could be quite damaging for them? Imagine he wasn't charismatic, would you still defend these actions?

[Thought Art]

@Raptorsin7 There’s 16 year old girls coming forth with screen shots of his messages. 
 

 

[Kore]

Okay, to clarify, in this thread, this Tate guy is terrible, just like my ex who would did despicable things to me.  I only really see the good in him because I brought the good out in that relationship. 

I think as well that Leo has an acute lack of empathy in practice that can wear on someone's mental health combined with if they have "schizo" tendencies can be terrible for someone's mental health.  He talks down to his audience as fools and fundamentally 'bad'.  Imagine what that looks like for someone who has a propensity for schizophrenia (who follows his work and it triggers schizophrenia), who are sensitive to energies.  "Mental illness" can happen to anyone, it isn't just about the mentally fragile or 'weak'.  

Edited January 17, 2023 by Kore