Dispelling the myths around Tate.

[Spooney Spoonerson]

As a member of Hustler’s university and a follower of Andrew Tate for 2+ years I see a lot of confusion over the man himself, his philosophy, life and business endeavours. I wanted to shed some light on where people seem to be misinterpreting his message and morals.

 

I first followed his youtube channels when he had around 10k followers give or take on each and have seen maybe a couple of hundred hours of his content, interviews and classes over the years. Over the course of which, I’ve pieced together a more comprehensive picture of his life and personality than most who’ve encountered him.

 

Some of the most common accusations I hear are below. I think there’s a large gap between what these accusations are and the picture I have garnered from a good deal of research or ‘brainwashing’ as some might call it. Still, I ask that you temporarily set aside whatever assumptions you may have already made about me and question the possibility there’s more to him than you are currently aware of.

 

1. Hustler’s university is a pyramid scheme.

 

There was an affiliate marketing program in Hustler’s university that began a few months after I joined in January 2021. It finished a few months previous to my posting this. I can’t remember the exact dates. I was never really interested in taking it prefferring to focus on the freelancing and copywriting courses. The content of the courses is amazing and very helpful. I went from having no job and living with my parents to getting a minimum wage job, moving out, building my business and quitting wage slave work to pursue my business venture full time and getting the first taste of the freedom I always wanted just as promised by Tate and the education platform’s professors.

 

The main ethos of HU and what the course professors profess is responsibility for your life and situation, provide massive value, and basically everything Leo covers in the how to free yourself from wage slavery video.

 

Most of them have a very strong stage orange mentality however that does present limitations to their teachings.

 

2. Tate views women as property/ inferior beings.

 

I often see the accusation that men are being controlling and misogynistic when they say they don’t want to be in a serious long term relationship with a woman who goes on drunken nights out with friends/ has slept with a large number of men/ has children/ and other reasons that would generally serve the woman’s needs for the man to ignre.

 

I couldn’t see the clip Leo posted on his blog but I’m guessing it’s the one I’ve seen making the rounds on mainstream news where Tate declares his opposition to girlfriends going out?

 

In the full clip he is saying they can’t go out and be in a serious relationship with him. In other words they are free to do as they please but it will result in him discontinuing the relationship.

 

Personally, I’d avoid ultimatums and just leave. Surely it’s better to be with someone who shares your values and arrived at them independently. You are also much less likely to be accused of abuse that way.

 

I’ve also seen him say outright a woman is his property a couple of times. This did shock me. But, after a few interviews and other explanations, I take it more to be referring to the notion that when two people enter a strong relationship they should belong to each other sexually, romantically, spiritually. I’ve noticed him be very select about revealing any information that explicitly says he has multiple long term girlfriends with whom he is in love.

 

In fact I’ve heard him say to the contrary, that he is a one woman man. Ofcourse, he has spoken many times about not maintaining sexual exclusivity but I don’t think that is so extreme. Is it not possible for a man to love and be bound to one woman for life and raise a family with her while also having fleeting sexual adventures with other women outside the home. That being said, I differ from him here too. I’d rather burn through that karma before finding the mother of my children.

 

Also, his brother his been explicit about his multiply ‘baby mommas’ and Andrew has not to my knowledge though that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have them. Still, I think there’s a difference in the brothers on this point.

 

All this is to say, I think he has a character he plays on camera but in his actual life and heart he is not as extreme as he sounds and he is aware of this with his act. I do think he is irresponsible with his messaging and inflammatory phrases though. Even if it’s just about gaining popularity to spread the message and awakening further it’s just not very loving or conscious. Then again, I think he mainly does this for comic effect and to trigger the people who virtue signal on these fronts. This does a good job of exposing the self-righteous fallacies of the woke left and in that sense is a good thing. Still not totally in favour of it personally.

 

One more thing to mention: Women are also encouraged to take part in the positive masculinity challenges in HU, a recent addition to the course material as a community activity. Absolutely no reason to do this except to gain more favour with females and get more money. But the marketing doesn’t exactly help that image so I think it’s genuine inclusivity.

 

3. Tate is exploiting young men for his personal gain.

 

HU is providing massive value and positivity to young men. Courses, community, expert guidance and relentless emphasis on being all you can be. The guidelines also strictly prohibit talking about dating, women, politics, covid and other topics you’d expect from the ‘incel’ community it’s supposed to be made up of so any comments about that are plain ignorance. It’s money and personal development only.

 

With regard to his business ventures, from what I can piece together he got a job marketing tv ads while he was kickboxing, earnt money from it before his boss wrecked the company with a coke addiction while Tate was away kickboxing. He then started a cam girl business with two fo his girlfriends after retiring from kick boxing with no money. He grew this to a million dollar business with around 70+ women in several locations of shared accommodation around London. He moved to Romania and did business with some casino owners who sounded pretty shady/ mafia-esque but so far as I could tell he only used their franchise names to help them set up new venues to out do the competition and never used their money. His casinos were his main source of income. Now he has HU aswell but I think he gets his money from a whole variety of things. Coffee shops, casinos, trading, marketing deals and god knows what else.

 

Human trafficking, I doubt. Honestly, I think he’s too nice of a person and hates to see people suffering. You can tell from many clips and interviews where he has no need to be kind or patient or honest or helpful with people but he is.

 

4. Tate is radicalising young men to hate women and view them as lesser/ inferior.

 

He does say a lot of retarded stuff that kids in school will no doubt misuse. However, I’ve seen anyone who likes him say they like him because he’s putting women in their place. It’s always about his role inspiring people to escape wage slavery, to become fit and mentally strong, for his humour and daring.

 

The only people who think he’s radicalising and teaching evil things seem to be people who, I can tell from watching the things they say, have not watched more than a few out of contest clips. On the whole I would say everyone I’ve ever seen say these things about him (and I’ve seen maybe a hundred) combined have not seen half the content of him that I have.

 

You could say that just means I’m going to be completely brainwashed. After all, the subconscious mind doesn’t care what it’s given, it moulds itself around it. But I see friends (only a couple who like Tate) who take his mentality, the image, the shallow representation of masculinity too seriously and I think I’m able to mitigate that effect on myself. I don’t send people clips to try prove how great he is. Some of my friends hate him and agree with the mainstream view that he’s disgusting etc.

 

But frankly, the arrogance and derisive manner the hateful comments are made with are embarrassing. Especially on a platform that is supposed to be of ‘higher consciousness’. People assuming guilt without a shred of evidence. The arguement “you don’t know anything about the case so how can you assume his innocence?” must go both ways. It is not for some who know very little about him and who digest only mainstream, clearly biased sources showing repeat clips of out of context highly curated content to decide who is innocent and guilty. In any case God will weigh the truth of the matter.

 

5. Tate gave away his location in a tweet battle with Greta T.

 

As previously mentioned on this forum the interior of his house is recognisable to many who watch his content. Not to mention he tweeted his location in Romania with an image of a valley in Romania prior to being arrested. Also, not sure how or why he would try to hide from Romanian authorities when he flies in a private jet.

 

To end, far too many people are making judgements and talking willy nilly about a man they have barely taken the time to know. It’s no better than gossip: carried by haters, spread by fools and accepted by idiots.

 

This attitude also shows a complete denial of the situation at large. Namely the hatred and persecution of masculinity, male spaces and male role models.

 

Will none of you concede any positive things about Tate and the movement he has created? Do you despise him so much that you honestly see him as no different to Hitler whom I have seen him compared to on this forum? I think there are some differences between the two. Can we please be more sensible about this whole topic and stop being so damned narrow minded, hateful and sure of ourselves?

[hoodrow trillson]

Tate fucking sucks balls.

[zurew]

50 minutes ago, Spooney Spoonerson said:

People assuming guilt without a shred of evidence.

what are you talking about? He admitted to most of the things himself , he did his own self snitching.

50 minutes ago, Spooney Spoonerson said:

The arguement “you don’t know anything about the case so how can you assume his innocence?” must go both ways.

At this point to suggest that him being innocent is as likely as him being guilty is just dishonest.

Edited January 14, 2023 by zurew

[Spooney Spoonerson]

Which crimes did he confess to?

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Spooney Spoonerson said:

Which crimes did he confess to?

Drug dealing, domestic abuse & battery, rape, sex trafficking, theft, wire fraud, tax evasion, money laundering.

But you miss the point. Even if he didn't technically commit any of those, his behavior is deeply unethical and toxic. This should not really be a discussion about crime but about the ethics of a self-proclaimed role-model and leader of young men. The crimes are just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Edited January 14, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura He admits in an interview to having to hide his phone before a raid because “in the past he had to make money”

[Rafael Thundercat]

Sometimes reading stuff I feel like the girl in the Movie " The Menu" . She could see since the beggining that there was something terrible wierd going on in the crazy nut chef restaurant, but the rest of the costumers were blindly in denial till the the shit hit the fan. Is really absurd. 

[Leo Gura]

The amount of incriminating stuff on his phone must be insane. Methinks this is just the beginning for him. He simply cannot keep his own mouth shut.

Edited January 14, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

He’s a bragging fool

[mmKay]

I didn't know toxic masculinity could get worse than the new Elliott Hulse. Oops

Edit: now that i think about ir it can actually get way, WAY worse. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by mmKay

[Leo Gura]

@mmKay I know of two guys in Vegas who are spending 10 years in prison for rape.

Oh, it gets much worse. There's no floor to how low men can go.

An ex-girlfriend of mine was handcuffed to a closet door by her boyfriend for a week and raped at gunpoint each night until she broke free and ran away. Then she had to continue seeing him at work for another year.

Edited January 14, 2023 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

I see young men changed a little around me. They behave more aggressive and Orange State like, they are almost like little Versions of andrew tade

My Observation were made in a fitness studio

[spiritual memes]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

An ex-girlfriend of mine was handcuffed to a closet door by her boyfriend for a week and raped at gunpoint each night until she broke free and ran away. Then she had to continue seeing him at work for another year.

She didn't report him?

[mmKay]

Tate exactly the kind of guy that if he was born 500 years ago and was left unchecked would try to conquer a third of the world.
 

 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

I see young men changed a little around me. They behave more aggressive and Orange State like, they are almost like little Versions of andrew tade

My Observation were made in a fitness studio

It's the pre-workout

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura   I'm willing to bet, you've been withholding yourself for so long making videos, that the delayed gratification would result in a really high quality video about Tate. I hope it's worth the wait.

[fortifyacacia3]

https://easyaffiliate.com/blog/multi-level-marketing/#:~:text=That said%2C affiliate marketing is,is no network recruiting involved.

I'll try to respond to more later, but it seems like HU falls under multi-level marketing rather than affiliate marketing. And that would make it a pyramid scheme. If you look at the MLM Monat for makeup, or herbal-life, they are cult-like in their entrepreneur enthusiasm. I have no doubt it can Instill confidence but at the end of the day 98% of recruited sellers actually lose money in MLM's. 

To take from Ken Wilber no one is smart enough to be wrong 100% of the time. Have you seen the criminal lawyer reacts videos on him? Tate's largely indefensible even if a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[Danioover9000]

@Spooney Spoonerson  I think, more importantly, is this: How are you feeling today, and how's your thinking after finding out Andrew got arrested? How are you doing so far?

[Ulax]

@Spooney Spoonerson Brother appreciate that you have only said positive things about this public figure. Are there no negatives you can see with him?

Imo, we are all a mixture of positive and negative traits, just to varying degrees. 

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Sometimes reading stuff I feel like the girl in the Movie " The Menu" . She could see since the beggining that there was something terrible wierd going on in the crazy nut chef restaurant, but the rest of the costumers were blindly in denial till the the shit hit the fan. Is really absurd. 

@Rafael Thundercat Same dude!

I find it kind of surreal