Deep States VS Shallow States Effect on the Mind System

[ardacigin]

It is important to realize not all states are the same in terms of how they affect the mind system. But this is not because of the content difference between states per se. The mind system is a HUGE, systemic, multi layered and complex structure all of us have. And this plays a big role in developing lasting understanding in spirituality.

What happens in your conscious experience - seeing the coffee mug (qualia of any kind) - can be attended by 00001% of your unconscious mind or 90% of it. And with what receptivity and availability your sub-minds utilize decides whether you'll integrate the spiritual insight or not.

That higher receptivity of the unconscious sub-minds will provide that ESSENTIAL wisdom that you experience in psychedelics (or sober life) into your everyday reality permanently.

The issue is that your average person who has no actual skills in meditation, or introspective awareness has only 000001% of his sub-minds be available to the insights that happen in consciousness (whether in psychedelics or sober), so the effects will be short-lived as an after glow and no major part of your psyche will revise their wordviews and perceptions in line with the insight. You'll continue to deal with same life problems, egoic structures, patterns and reactions over and over again.

Once, for instance, 80% of your unconscious sub-mind system is receptive to the information presented via qualia, then you can actually examine your mind, see through what is false and true and actually help integrate the majority of the unconscious to revise their understanding of reality with that insight experience.

We ALWAYS experience those insights. The question is how receptive your mind is to receive AND revise its core programming when you do experience them. That 'noticing' of insight is also a skill developed in your mind through meditation.

That is the key difference of why psychedelic awakenings RARELY, if ever, are permanent. Unless you go through this process of nurturing and understanding how your mind works through traditional spirituality, no insights will DEEPLY become an actual part of your life.

Without realizing how much delusion you are suffering through each moment of each day, you might think this is not a big deal. 

You can only understand how profound the insight become when 80% of the mind system gets it, rather than 0000.1% that gets it now. 

This is not a paradigm that is understood where you are now. Psychedelics can only take you too far. In terms of depth, they are extremely profound. But living those insights (which has to do with breadth) is a separate matter psychedelics cant often, if ever, address due to this dynamic that I've outlined in this post.

Much love,

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by ardacigin

[John Paul]

Mindfucky thought: what if deep states are shallow and shallow states are actually deep?

[Breakingthewall]

interesting and accurate. This present moment is a mental construction of enormous depth. psychedelics can reveal this by temporarily stopping the past-present-future construction that we constantly builds. when this stops perception ceases to extend on the surface level and penetrates deep down. the surface level is a false conceptual construction, like a set in a movie. the narrower the horizontal level is made, the more vertical penetration becomes possible. all of reality is this moment, and the entire horizontal level is being created at this moment. the goal of meditation is eliminate the attachment to the horizontal dimension of the mind to be able to sink into the vertical, in the timeless present, and capture it in all its depth

[ardacigin]

11 hours ago, John Paul said:

Mindfucky thought: what if deep states are shallow and shallow states are actually deep?

Well, those are paradoxical statements that doesnt really  mesh well unless you explain exactly what you mean by 'deep' and 'shallow'. 

In this post, they refer to how much of the mind system the insight penetrates. 

Edited January 11, 2023 by ardacigin

[ardacigin]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

interesting and accurate. This present moment is a mental construction of enormous depth. psychedelics can reveal this by temporarily stopping the past-present-future construction that we constantly builds. when this stops perception ceases to extend on the surface level and penetrates deep down. the surface level is a false conceptual construction, like a set in a movie. the narrower the horizontal level is made, the more vertical penetration becomes possible. all of reality is this moment, and the entire horizontal level is being created at this moment. the goal of meditation is eliminate the attachment to the horizontal dimension of the mind to be able to sink into the vertical, in the timeless present, and capture it in all its depth

Yes. What people mistakenly believe (lot of people in this forum) is meditation is merely superb 'concentration' and if only you could single-pointedly focus on a meditation object, all your spiritual obstacles would be overcome and progress would happen at an accelerated rate.

That is one the most dangerous misconceptions in traditional spirituality. You stabilize attention mostly to develop awareness of mind, emotions, intentions and reality. Not for the 'sake' of concentration. You get attention 'out of the way' so that awareness can take over. Once it takes over, now you need to develop introspective awareness.

You can only increase the available conscious bandwidth of the mind by increasing awareness and the way to do that is to stabilize attention. Once that is clear, more care is given to awareness rather than 'single pointed' attention. A moment where progress happens at an accelerated rate.

That is an insight all meditators need to 'get' to progress further. It is also a key reason why very few people progress further than stages 5-6 in The Mind Illuminated.

Edited January 11, 2023 by ardacigin