Implikations of the insight you create your emotions

[OBEler]

So I thought about this radical insght that you are 100% responsible for creating your emotions. I dont think this is true, because everything is connected and you are therefore not responsible at all. 

For example you order a meal in a Restaurant and it tastes Bad, is the chief responsible or you creating this Taste? 

No one is responsible, because everything is connected to infinity.

You as a human have very few control over how you taste something 

[IDressMyDog]

Is food taste an emotion?

[OBEler]

@IDressMyDog technically it is a sense. But is there a difference creating emotions and creating senses? 

Furthermore Taste and emotions are deeply entangled

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

You as a human have very few control over how you taste something 

But you have the control on how you interpret the bad taste. 
A sex slave loves to be whipped for example while a regular slave doenst. 
 

Also some of the concepts you create are so strong that you can’t deconstruct them as easily even though you are responsible for creating them. Death or the materialist paradigm for example can’t be deconstructed like that even though they are your creation. 
Maybe bad taste is just the consequence of some deeper concept you created. Maybe "bad taste“ is only bad because it is connected to the fear of death because if something tastes bad that means it brings you closer to death. At least that’s how our biology is designed to work. (Not speaking about sugar and junk of course which our biology didn’t adapt to yet)

[Carl-Richard]

You're responsible for maximizing your emotional resilience.

[OBEler]

@Carl-Richard @IDressMyDog 

Carl Richard, well said

[UnbornTao]

You actually create your emotions. Who else? They don't come from circumstances. They're not something that you somehow come across. I fear this might be heard superficially but consider that the reality of it is deeper than how it sounds. Haven't you sometimes felt excited, sad or angry and deep down suspect that it is of your own making? Sort of like an actor playing out a character. The emotion is there in the first place because it's serving a purpose. You're going through it because you want to do it. Otherwise, the same event would cause the same emotional reaction on everyone, but we can see that that's far from the truth. Now that doesn't mean we're creating them consciously, though.

Edited January 8, 2023 by UnbornTao

[OBEler]

@UnbornTao my body creates also emotions

My body creates also senses like taste. 

So do you agree that if chief cooks some meal which Tastes Bad for you, you are still responsible for this taste? 

[Breakingthewall]

You are creating your emotions, but not in a way that you can control. Your emotions all start from an innate common binomial: fear and attachment. or rejection and attachment if you prefer. or death and life. all fear is of death or of approaching death. All attachment is to life, or more life.

from this derives all the melting pot of emotions that you can feel. the only way to control them is to detach yourself. the only way to detach yourself is to realize that there is no death and life. then the emotions soften, you become equanimous. equanimity means equal. equal life or death.

[OBEler]

@Breakingthewall so this can also be applied to senses like taste:

If I am really equal to life and death I could eat human excrements to breakfast and it would be equal to eating a brownie 

If you cannot really control these emotions /senses, you should be not responsible for them even if you are creating them. "other" beings can influence these emotions/senses so they also are responsible for how they arise. It's a co-creation

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

If you cannot really control these emotions /senses, you should be not responsible for them even if you are creating them

Well, it seems that is possible to control them, look at that monk from Vietnam who burns without moving, it seems that the human being can reach levels of total detachment.  

Imo It is not whether you are responsible or not, it is to see what is the level of detachment necessary for awakening and to have a acceptable level of suffering, to don't be a slave of desire and attachments

Edited January 9, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[UnbornTao]

19 hours ago, OBEler said:

@UnbornTao my body creates also emotions

My body creates also senses like taste. 

So do you agree that if chief cooks some meal which Tastes Bad for you, you are still responsible for this taste? 

As usual I was coming at this discussion from intellect so I'll have to look into the matter first; might share my discoveries in the future. In the meantime, I'll say a few things.

I don't understand why you bring up taste and emotions in the same conversation. They seem to be two different matters -- perception and emotion.

One can actually learn to "perceive" or hold things differently with practice. We'd first have to cognize the way we're currently holding something (the assumptions you have about it, etc). A few months ago I was practicing at looking at dog shit and holding it as something beautiful/positive. Serious.

Generate an emotion deliberately. Try doing:

• Joy
• Fear
• Anger
• Love
• Excitement
• Boredom

"That's faking it since there's no circumstance causing or justifying your state". That's the assumption we're challenging.

In your example, I'd say that with practice you can learn to perceive things differently. Things don't taste "bad", they taste however they taste in your experience. "Bad" is superimposed on experience.

As a kid I didn't like kiwi and now I do, even though its taste is the same.

Edited January 9, 2023 by UnbornTao