How Leo's teachings are becoming corrupt

[Blackbeat]

On 07/01/2023 at 5:29 PM, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Razard86 well, 99,99% of humanity is light years away from enjoyment of this story of being human - that is my overestimated assumption probably, yet that what awakening is in some sense - realizing that this story is not everything that is - dead serious game for survival. When you rediscover that you can start reprograming your mind tool from constant chasing the line of the horizon to more relaxed approach. Don't you agree?

80% agreed.

[knakoo]

I don't resonate with leo's vibe but I wouldn't dismiss the value of very intense psychedelic experiences even for undeveloped mind.

For instance look at Mike Tyson, who had his old ego obliterated by his 5 meo dmt trip and became much wiser and conscious after.

[SourceCodo]

On 1/6/2023 at 3:44 PM, Leo Gura said:

My methodology is very simple: access higher states of consciousness by whatever means work for you. That is the only way to do true spirituality. Everything else is games.

This methodology makes no guarantees that you will come out a good person or that you will dissolve all your egoic structures, because no method guarantees that. There are 1000 ways to screw it up and that will never change. The average person is highly likely to screw it up.

There is no way that you will realize what God is without it awing you. If you didn't get the awesomeness that's because you didn't really Awaken to God.

The awesomeness is a not a human egoic reaction, it's actually a Truthful reaction of Consciousness coming to understand itself. Consciousness is Absolutely Awesome. And the only reason you're not getting that is because there's a giant ego obstructing your view.

Lack of being awestruck by Consciousness is the egoic position. So you got that backwards. You're not awestruck yet simply because you haven't realized the magnitude of what you are.

Awe is a property of God. Why wouldn't it be? What kind of lame God do you envision? It takes a lot of consciousness to see the obvious awesomeness of God.

Veryyy well said. 

[Scholar]

On 7.1.2023 at 0:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

There is no way that you will realize what God is without it awing you. If you didn't get the awesomeness that's because you didn't really Awaken to God.

There is no such thing as "really awakening to god". If you did, you wouldn't be here talking to us. Everything else will be partial, limited by your identity. Your awe a psychological phenomena, a phenomena of particularized mind. All are Awakened to God, the notion of Awakening itself is delusional.

You can immerse yourself in aspects of the Divine, and there are infinite aspects. So, there cannot ever be a full awakening, not until you dissolve completely.

 

On 7.1.2023 at 0:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

The awesomeness is a not a human egoic reaction, it's actually a Truthful reaction of Consciousness coming to understand itself. Consciousness is Absolutely Awesome. And the only reason you're not getting that is because there's a giant ego obstructing your view.

It's not, it's a reaction of mind. There are beings that are incapable of experiencing awe, or fear. They can experience everything you have experience, and not experience an ounce of awe. If you think that's impossible, your knowledge of consciousness is more limited than I thought.

To bring up the Infinite nature of Consciousness to pretend like your particularized reaction to the Divine is silly. Of course Consciousness is Absolutely Awesome, that silly framework applies to all forms of existence, so it's meaningless. It in equal measure of Horror as it is Awesome. You still do not see how the structure, the particularized form of mind influences the "awakening" experience. The fascets or structure of your particularized mind will determine the fascets that will come to be revealed to you as the Infinite of God. Which, of course, is Infinite. It is actually a function of your ego that your limited human mind cannot conceive of the Infinity that is possible beyond it. That Infinite can be so utterly foreign to what you are experiencing now, that notions of beauty and awe could be so infinite foreign to you as the infinite fascets of existence that you have no conception whatsoever could even exist. You are underestimating Infinite, and I have no idea how you could still do so after the many trips you had.

On 7.1.2023 at 0:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

Lack of being awestruck by Consciousness is the egoic position. So you got that backwards. You're not awestruck yet simply because you haven't realized the magnitude of what you are.

Awe is a property of God. Why wouldn't it be? What kind of lame God do you envision? It takes a lot of consciousness to see the obvious awesomeness of God.

I never said anything about being awestruck or not. You seem to be missing the point of what I am saying.

There are infinite possible minds, and they will all project their own particularized nature onto an experience of the Infinite, because the Infinite is experienced through those particularized fascets of existence. That is how your mind can form a memory of it, and analyze it. That's all you can hope to do with your human mind.

You'll see eventually.

 

 

There will be super-human minds in the future, that will be capable of experience fascets of the Infinite that your mind simply cannot engage with. It's so funny, because it's your ego telling you that you, in your lifetime, must be able to experience of all God. What a silly notion, you'll die. You will not be the one with the greatest understanding of God, your mind is not even capable of it. You can barely walk if the consciousness is high enough. That's a limitation fo the fibre of your being. Anything beyond that, the true wisdom of Godhead, cannot be transfered through this particularized life form. It's a pipe dream, it would fry your brain. And then, you'd see what I mean.

Edited February 1, 2023 by Scholar

[Thought Art]

@Scholar Don’t be so sure 

What are you, inside Leo’s skull? 
 

Idk, maybe God realization is simply non-linear, not understood rationally, can’t be proven or explained, makes no sense to human survival based existence, is completely useless, can’t be explained through language from “one human to another”, 

I have a question for you. What a awakening experiences do you have?  How deeply have you contemplated infinity, consciousness, paradox, truth, being, reality? 
 

Honestly, you are right. When you realize God… you’ll probably just be like “Yeah, lame, so so”. 
 

Leo is just saying, when you have your God Realization you will be awestruck. God, being in loving Awe with itself. Because obviously ahaha but it’s not obvious until you experience it. Reality is an amazing thing. You are an amazing thing you just can’t see it with a calcified and overly skeptical, rational egoic filter on everything.

Likely, you can experience Awe if you are learning and being here on the forum. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Thought Art

[Scholar]

Here is a simple way to put it:

First, let us get a basic sense of the nature of infinity.

To do that, we will group some human forms of existence/experience into 5 main categories or dimensions:

Vision (colors, shapes)

Sound

Feeling (bodily sensations)

Emotion

Concept

Now, this is all a bit simplified, but notice the difference in ontology between all of these dimensions of existence. They make up everything you have ever experienced. Your entire conception and sense of reality is some mixture of these 5 dimensions.

Those are 5 dimensions of existence. Each one is utterly foreign to the other. If you never saw vision, you could not possibly conceive of it using any combination of the 4 other dimensions.

Infinity contains Infinite of such dimensions. Not 100s, not 1000s, not millions. Infinite dimensions of existence. Infinitely varied substances of being, each as radically foreign from the other as sound is from vision, or feeling is from concept.

 

Within every dimension exist potentially infinite forms. Let's group colors into main groups: Red, Blue, Yellow, Red, Green, Magenta, White, Black and consider every other color a transition between those groups. The transitions between those groups make up Infinite colors. Yet, there are not only infinite colors between each group, there are infinite more groups of colors, that you, as a human being, will never ever get to experience. Infinite, infinite, infinite.

 

When you transition from particularized existence into the Infinite, you can experience an Absolute Form of each form of existence that makes up your particularized mind. Technically, the Infinite itself can experience all forms, of all dimensions of existence, but the particular mind that is Leo, that has memories, that has understanding, will not even register that. It is not capable of registering it, because of it's particularized form of existence. It would not particularize as a functional memory, all you could carry away from the Infinite would be the imprint the experience made on your mind.

But of course, you will be biased to experience very human fascets of existence. You will experience mainly within the dimensions above, and some other dimensions of human experience I have not mentioned above (there are things like spacial and temporal perception, and dozens of other kind of dimensions, some for which we do not even have language for).

For example, awe.

Awe, of course is an Absolute within the Infinite. As a form of existence, within what we categorized as the dimension of Emotion, it exist as an ontological substance, in and of itself, in the Infinite of the Absolute. And immersion in the Infinite will naturally amplify the feelings experienced during a given "trip to the infinite". The reason why people only talk about the good fascets of the Infinite, is because people avoid doing "bad trips", and they have all kinds of egoic reasoning for why they dismiss such trips. Very rarely does a person sit down and is willing to experience Infinite Horror, Infinite Dread and so forth, the resistance is too simply too high.

 

I mean, the huberis, the utter arrogance of assuming that your utterly human mind is somehow the measure of all existence, it should be utterly laughable to you. That's one Infinitely small part of Infinity. Of course you are experiencing and focusing of these aspects of the Infinite because your particular mind is designed to experience them. And yes, you can find them all reflected in Infinity, of course you can, that's what Infinity is.

But much like you lack the particularized experience of Infinite Dimensions and Forms of Existence during your trips, another creature will lack the experience of Awe during their trip.

What should be obvious is that, your trip is not merely about getting to the Divine. If that was what it was about, you can just kill yourself and be done with it. God would have never bothered with all this multiverse evolution nonsense.

What your trip is fundamentally about is a unique experience of the relationship between your particularized form as Leo, and the Divine. That relationship is the whole fucking point of all of this, lol. So no, not all beings will experience awe when they relate to the Divine. There is an Infinite variety in the relationship with the Divine that can be had. Infinite, Infinite, Infinite.

You're one little speck of nothingness. A speck that is blind to it's own corruption.

 

And to be fair, if what I say does not help you see, you must remain in your blindness. There is no point in pretending your are less corrupted than you actually are.

Edited February 1, 2023 by Scholar

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Scholar said:

There is no such thing as "really awakening to god". If you did, you wouldn't be here talking to us. 

That's a very silly, limited notion of God.  There is awakening to God, and you as the ego do perish, and then, magically come back.   If you aren't open to this possibility then your mind shall remain locked.

5 hours ago, Scholar said:

 

You can immerse yourself in aspects of the Divine, and there are infinite aspects. So, there cannot ever be a full awakening, not until you dissolve completely.

States of consciousness are fluid - Consciousness doesn't remain in any state.  You can dissolve completely and return as your prior form (meaning the ego mind dissolved but not the body) or you can dissolve completely and return as another form.  

It's true that some awakenings to Infinity will blow the doors off the human body and when they come on in this fashion - raw, pure Infinity - the finite body cannot handle it -  But this is like taming a horse.  At first it will buck like a tornado..but later you can ride it calmly.  You can have awakenings in which you will become Infinite Consciousness - while still in the body although really it will not exist unless you are conscious you are in a body - and in such a state you can become omniscient   You can be in a state so divine and mystical it will be an absolute miracle.  AkA the Godhead.  

 

Edited February 2, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Pudgey]

@Scholar You're a devil. 

[Carl-Richard]

14 minutes ago, Pudgey said:

@Scholar You're a devil. 

No namecalling.

[Pudgey]

@Carl-Richard Same with 'psychonaut', which is equally and profoundly disrespectful to those using psychedelics for spiritual purposes. The pot calling the kettle black. But, I regress.  

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Pudgey said:

@Carl-Richard Same with 'psychonaut', which is equally and profoundly disrespectful to those using psychedelics for spiritual purposes. The pot calling the kettle black. But, I regress.  

I love psychonauts.

[ZGROPIUS]

On 1/7/2023 at 7:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness is Absolutely Awesome. And the only reason you're not getting that is because there's a giant ego obstructing your view.

Lack of being awestruck by Consciousness is the egoic position. So you got that backwards. You're not awestruck yet simply because you haven't realized the magnitude of what you are.

@Leo Gura This sounds like a very new position in development work. When a child finds a new piece of glass?????☘️??? in the mud they get amazed by it. But the elders are indifferent to that. And always see that as childish, boring and needs to be developed, even get annoyed by it. I don’t know what makes you perceive in this way.

Edited February 2, 2023 by ZGROPIUS