Daniel Ingram seriously confused me

[Rasheed]

Daniel Ingram seriously confused me. I read the book 'Core Teachings of the Buddha' and it was way different from other spiritual books I've read by Wilber, Osho, Om Swami, Eckhart Tolle, P. Ralston, etc...

He says that key for enlightenment is 3 characteristics of existence which got outlined by Gautama Buddha. Also he has this very complex map which is kind of confused me. 

Meditation I do is what Ken Wilber teaches in picture down below (3 Factors of All Skillful Means). Wilber himself does not outline such a complex map like Ingram, he simply points to 4 levels: Gross, Subtle, Causal and Non-Dual. 

Ingram's maps can be found on his own website. 

Please help, I don't want to get stuck on what Ingram calls: Solidified in 1st Jhana. If anyone knowns how Ingram's map really works or Daniel Ingram's frameworks in general,  I would be really grateful for help.

P.S He also says that enlightenment does not lead to emotional, mental, behavioral perfection. He says he is enlightened but he also experience desire, fear, aversion etc...This is super counter-intuitive to all other spiritual teachings, what's your thoughts on that? All in all, I found it still useful read even though there were lot of things I did not get, that is why I am asking question here. 

Thank you. 

[BipolarGrowth]

I’m happy to break some of it down for you if you’d like, but I’m not sure exactly what you want answered based off your post. If you wanna write some to-the-point questions about the specifics of his system, I’d be happy to take a shot at answering. There are some others on here who are pretty familiar with his style, terms, and maps who can probably answer as well. 
 

I wouldn’t worry too much about the maps until you feel yourself to have come into contact with states which match the descriptions pretty closely. Also, I wouldn’t be worried about getting stuck at one stage. If you practice a technique such as vipassana consistently, you should continue to make progress over time. 
 

Daniel is a medical doctor, and his teaching style reflects that. It’s going to be far more technical and detailed than the vast majority of other teachers you’ll come across. 

[Raptorsin7]

Imo Daniel Ingram hasn't attained the highest spiritual insight possible.

He's likely deluded himself if he thinks he's finished with the path

 

 

 

 

[axiom]

1 hour ago, Rasheed said:

Daniel Ingram seriously confused me. I read the book 'Core Teachings of the Buddha' and it was way different from other spiritual books I've read by Wilber, Osho, Om Swami, Eckhart Tolle, P. Ralston, etc...

He says that key for enlightenment is 3 characteristics of existence which got outlined by Gautama Buddha. Also he has this very complex map which is kind of confused me.

Please help, I don't want to get stuck on what Ingram calls: Solidified in 1st Jhana. If anyone knowns how Ingram's map really works or Daniel Ingram's frameworks in general,  I would be really grateful for help.

P.S He also says that enlightenment does not lead to emotional, mental, behavioral perfection. He says he is enlightened but he also experience desire, fear, aversion etc...This is super counter-intuitive to all other spiritual teachings, what's your thoughts on that? All in all, I found it still useful read even though there were lot of things I did not get, that is why I am asking question here. 

Thank you. 

Desire, fear, aversion etc etc can all happen post enlightenment just as they do before enlightenment.

The difference is that it becomes obvious that they are happening for no one, and as such they hold no power.

However, Ingram talks a lot about means and methods and results, which indicates that he may not be as enlightened as he claims. 

Insofar as it may help one way or another, it does not matter whether he is enlightened or not. 

Edited January 3, 2023 by axiom

[Rasheed]

Thing is his map confused. My question was: If I am doing a correct practice concerning Ingram's map and also how do I find where am I in a map because it feels like his stages overlap and are similar? 

Also, why most spiritual teachers do not use any maps such as Ingram's? Compare Ingram's book to someone like Ralston or Tolle, it 180 degree different... 

That is what confused me. 

 

[axiom]

2 hours ago, Rasheed said:

Thing is his map confused. My question was: If I am doing a correct practice concerning Ingram's map and also how do I find where am I in a map because it feels like his stages overlap and are similar? 

Also, why most spiritual teachers do not use any maps such as Ingram's? Compare Ingram's book to someone like Ralston or Tolle, it 180 degree different... 

That is what confused me. 

 

Everyone is peddling their own warez. 

In general more esoteric systems engage the self more, so they are less “useful”.