Reflections on Leo's God Consciousness claims by spiritual teacher

[axiom]

1 hour ago, ZenSwift said:

What do you mean @Leo Gura? 

He means that it is beyond insight. It is just itself. In this he concurs with Buddhism.

[universe]

Liberation can only exist when you have its opposite: enslavement. Like good and bad, it is an illusion and doesn't exist in Reality.

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, universe said:

Liberation can only exist when you have its opposite: enslavement. Like good and bad, it is an illusion and doesn't exist in Reality.

Liberation is when the limits that made you finite are broken and you become infinite. you can say that it does not exist since the limits are not real, and also that you do not have a toothache since the teeth are imaginary. directly, you could not say anything, since everything is imaginary

[axiom]

15 minutes ago, universe said:

Liberation can only exist when you have its opposite: enslavement. Like good and bad, it is an illusion and doesn't exist in Reality.

There can be a lived experience of being an individual. The apparent self, to the very extent it believes itself to be real, makes everything seem real and important. That is its function.

But yes, liberation is illusory insofar as the lived experience of selfhood is illusory.

In truth there is only liberation without end. But with nothing to push against, no boundary to draw, delineation of any kind becomes meaningless. 

Just like “self” / “Self”. Same thing.

Liberation can certainly seem to happen, but never actually does.

[JosephKnecht]

Consciousness argues with itself about who has more consciousness. 

So silly. 

 

[Razard86]

5 hours ago, axiom said:

The realisation that “there is nothing to obtain or accomplish” is the liberation that Leo denounces (as far as I can tell).

Nope he does both, you only see what you allow yourself to see. Your statement is similar to when people accuse him of hating and talking down on meditation. I would suggest you go watch some of his videos again, Leo says a lot of things and what people have a bad habit of doing is sticking to one thing he says and missing the other parts.

You aren't wrong in that he promotes a lot of achieving and going after dreams and being a conscious creator but that's because that is his life purpose and vision. He never states his personal opinions as absolute even though he does state them in a very strong authoritarian way but that is just his delivery style. In his solipsism video he literally said you could go play video games, walk on the beach or masturbate after God Realization and that there isn't anything different than either of those. You see?

Someone might say well it sounds like he contradicts himself? All humans that have ever lived are going to contradict themselves because all speech is relative and since there is an infinite amount of relativity....contradiction is inevitable. So while he does promote goal achieving he has also stated that being a wage slave isn't any worse or better than not being a wage slave. He communicates back and forth between an absolute perspective of oneness and personal preference from the relative. Most don't glean this and attach ONE thing that he says. 

If people really observed their thoughts and the things they say....they would realize how often they contradict themselves, its impossible not too no matter how hard you try. Growth itself is contradiction. 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Razard86

[spiritual memes]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@vladorion What good is your liberation? I look at your libetated people and they still have no clue what God is.

What good is God realisation? You can have the most profound God realisation and then go back your neurotic tendencies and attachments.

[Mips]

9 hours ago, vladorion said:

Coming from a guy who thinks he can record himself transforming into an alien god for everyone to see.

Talk more about fantasy.

Where did he say that?

[Illusory Self]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

what does that mean? could you develop?

Edit: i searched in google. Yeah, seems this

@Breakingthewall

Spiritual narcissism Also - I like this quote - Spiritual narcissism involves using spiritual practices as a way to increase self-importance. It often involves using spirituality to build the individual up, while also wielding it as a weapon to tear others down.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Mips said:

Where did he say that?

He said he would when he found a suitable camera to record the transformation. He also said that God Realization was nonsense, that  really the objective was the alien god, but that this was hidden from us because our human mind could not manage it. that from now on he was going to teach alien awakening. He also said that he had never been happier because if he closed his eyes he would see green and blue aliens doing somersaults and going in helicopters. then he expressed concern because he was in a constant psychedelic state, with nocturnal activations, and then he never returned to the matter. it looks like he is now using thc . This all sounds pretty strange, doesn't it?

Edited January 1, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Illusory Self said:

@Breakingthewall

Spiritual narcissism Also - I like this quote - Spiritual narcissism involves using spiritual practices as a way to increase self-importance. It often involves using spirituality to build the individual up, while also wielding it as a weapon to tear others down.

there seems to be something like that. It's sad because I thought Leo was a genius, a guy with total integrity and a true pioneer of true spirituality. but the truth is that things are going...not really good. disappointing, as usual in humans. But who knows, maybe he is able to turn the situation around. Yesterday I was watching a video from 4 years ago that a user posted on the forum. You could see a transparent, happy, honest leo. then i saw fragments of the latest videos. Quite different . But let's see, it's difficult to make an opinion 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Breakingthewall