To What Extent Does Leo Still Believe That Flattening The Self is Useful on The Path?

[Proserpina]

See this video for reference regarding the flattening idea for the self at 31:13: 

Please see Leo's comment 6 years ago under the video where he says:

Good work! Keep flattening yourself. There is much self to flatten

In response to:

By the flattening of "myself" i realised that i'm just existence., phenomenal video Leo

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Don't spare me any nuance here.  If any because it seems as though he doesn't flatten the self entirely in his current teachings.  

To what extent does Leo currently believe that one should not flatten the self?

Edited December 30, 2022 by Proserpina

[vladorion]

In the current teachings, you inflate the illusion of yourself.

[LastThursday]

I'm guessing the expectation here is that a self can be reduced or simplified. However, there is a lot of room for interpretation here. If a self can be flattened, then it must be composed of parts that make up a structure. I think there is some truth to this. The process of flattening would then involve collapsing that structure into something simpler or truer. In my own experience, I think the self comes and goes, returning when I become aware again that I am a self. So if I were to flatten my self, I would say that I am an "awareness of being a self", a pinprick of somethingness separate from everything else.

Therefore, I think the process of flattening is a personal one and not a universal truth. It is not clear that it should flatten to the same thing for everyone. If Leo flattens himself to God then that's his process.

[Bojan V]

@vladorion

15 hours ago, vladorion said:

In the current teachings, you inflate the illusion of yourself.

That's not true.

[The0Self]

It sounds like you misunderstood. “Flatness” in any nondual spiritual context would merely refer to distance and separation being illusory.

[Proserpina]

3 hours ago, The0Self said:

It sounds like you misunderstood. “Flatness” in any nondual spiritual context would merely refer to distance and separation being illusory.

I don't understand how I could have misunderstood anything when I asked a question for understanding.  "Flatness in any nondual spiritual context" seems to be an overstatement on your part.  I'm asking what Leo thinks about this and whether there is any discrepancy between 6 years ago and today.  In my experience, by completely 'flattening' the self and external world you can inadvertently realize separation and distance to be illusory.  You realize you are existence itself. Which comports with what you said and with what the video commenter said which I quoted above. 

[How to be wise]

23 hours ago, Proserpina said:

If any because it seems as though he doesn't flatten the self entirely in his current teachings.  

 

How do you know that?

[Razard86]

When you close your eyes at night and go to sleep, if you pay attention you flatten your sense of self. If you completely let go and do not dream....the sense of you is completely gone. So when he says flatten the self...think it terms of the surrendering you do every time you go to sleep. But....see if you can do that consciously. Can you be still at the same level you do when you sleep?

[Breakingthewall]

flattening oneself meant diluting the separation between you and what is not you. This separation occurs in the experience that is happening and is what we call the illusion of the self. I would say that Leo has a hard time flattening because he can't help but conceptualize. there is something strange in his way of integrating awakening, although I don't know exactly how to define it. in his case it seems that to flatten is for the whole experience to become self. But he has gone very deep, it's difficult to understand 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Proserpina]

Thanks for your answers and for clearing up some confusion, guys.