Andrew Tate Arrested

[StarStruck]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

@StarStruck Is

accept the point about the overpriced courses. Though I do think you are strawmanning what services they actually offer in their products.

I disagree with your view regarding the guys I mention (to the exclusion of Patrick bet Davidson) not having massive direct experience with massive direct experience with wealth, health and girls. Especially the girls portion, some of the RSD guys know way more about women than Tate will imo.

I agree with your last paragraph about the stage blue stuff. 

There are some good RSD instructors but RSD Derek is not one of them. That over-aged Shrek looking mofo is a convicted felon for all kinds of shady stuff. And that guy is talking about wealth, health and girls? He looks everything but healthy. He doesn’t have real wealth. And no girls in her right mind would be attracted to a guy who looks like that and has a vibe like that. 
 

Most RSD guys would be jobless and probably homeless if they didn’t pray on the fears and insecurities of young gullible men….

But most RSD clowns are filthy rich and bathe in the tears of desperate men. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by StarStruck

[zurew]

4 hours ago, StarStruck said:

This guy is a rare breed and if you are into self development you should be fascinated by him and study him in detail.

What lessons have you learned from him, that you couldn't learn anywhere else?

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

The difference between Andrew Tate and those others clowns is that he has massive direct experience with wealth, health and girls.

Maybe with girls, but regarding to how to create a successful business or how to make money without directly fucking over people, he isn't experienced. He doesn't have massive experience with businesses, he has massive experience being a scammer. He became wealthy by fucking over people (cam business, casino).

There is no reason to praise him for his wealth, that he accumulated through scamming people.

Edited February 3, 2023 by zurew

[Consept]

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

Those guys are idiots. They are con artists. Especially those RSD guys who charge you like 2-3k for a course. Andrew Tate doesn’t charge you anything. 

Some people say Andre Tate rips off people. He charges 40 dollars for business advice. What is 40 dollars compared to 2-3k. You just pay 2-3k for some lousy RSD videos and to become a member of some RSD Facebook group. If that is a rip off I’m gladly ripped off for 40 dollar. 

The difference between Andrew Tate and those others clowns is that he has massive direct experience with wealth, health and girls. There is really some golden nuggets in Andrew Tate’s teaching at the level of spiral dynamics stage blue. Albeit he has  also a lot of SD red but one has to filter the good stuff. 

The problem with a lot of guys is that they lack SD blue. It is a really important stage in a person’s development. If you have a solid SD blue you can stabilize the lower parts and build the progressive parts on top of it. 

It's true rsd Derek is very shady, there were some records pulled a out him claiming to own and live in some mansion but really he stayed there for a night and the owner keeps getting letters for him ? there's a video I'll try and pull it up. But in general I don't think rsd are that bad, they give out a lot of free content and the courses are not even priced that bad it's just when you do the boot camps and stuff it starts to get silly. 

Tate basically has the same model, gives out free advice and then has his hustlers U which actually if you compare it to the rsd courses will work out more because rsd just do a one off payment, you could argue Tate is a bit 'smarter' in how he milks his followers. Also he has extremely high priced in person events where he charges 5k a per person and then of course the war room, which I'm not sure how much it costs but obviously more than $50. He does have it setup to take as much money as possible from his followers. 

I think there are more 'healthy' online male improvement personalities like Hamza and 1st man for example, I also really like Dr Tian, obviously no ones perfect but you get the sense that they're  ot just milking their audience. With Tate I think he does give a sense of power to powerless men which can be important but I think baggage that comes with it will probably do more harm than good. The view of women is completely skewed, which makes sense considering his webcam business, to be able to do that how he did it there has to be a poor perception of women, so of course this would bleed over into his advice to young men. 

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, Ulax said:

@StarStruck

You can look at someone like Patrick Bet Davis, or the RSD guys, especially someone like RSD Derek. 

If you can't see the difference between Tate and these RSD clowns, I don't know what to tell you.

This is like saying "why listen to Leo, when I can listen to Adeptus Psychonautica."

And PBD is just some libertarian workaholic immigrant - nothing special.

Andrew Tate embodies this "alpha" archetype to such an incredible degree - it should be a sight to behold, no matter where you stand on this whole thing.

We're talking aesthetics after all - if you can't appreciate art and reduce everything down to "it's just a pop song, what's so special about it?" that just tells me you don't value beauty and art very highly.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Nilsi

[hyruga]

To be fair, Julien was pretty good at making you relaxed and chilled for gaming. His online courses are not $3k each, more like $300 to $600.

Tate is more angry and wants to win everytime. His personality tends to invite a lot of enemies and a lot of closed friends. If you behave like Tate in the workplace, you may always get into arguments and you are constantly pissed off or pretend to look pissed off which will also cause you to become angry easily.

[StarStruck]

2 hours ago, zurew said:

What lessons have you learned from him, that you couldn't learn anywhere else?

That is your problem. You think you can put everything in words.

This forum is skewed towards toxic SD green and is ideologically opinioned against SD blue.

One has to be on SD yellow to be able to extract deep lessons from Andrew Tate who is SD blue.

Edited February 3, 2023 by StarStruck

[zurew]

9 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

This forum is skewed towards toxic SD green and is ideologically opinioned against SD blue.

None is rejecting any healthy stage blue values here.

[Leo Gura]

@StarStruck @Nilsi

You two are an embarassment to this forum.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Girzo]

3 hours ago, Nilsi said:

Andrew Tate embodies this "alpha" archetype to such an incredible degree

The what?!  He looks like an idiot (his style), has one of the most irritating voices out-there and his eloquence matches that of 18 yo after two beers.

Nothing alpha about him. Sometime I think this whole story, the fact that I even know his name, is some big big joke, that I didn't get sadly, because how can someone choose such a moron to be their idol. There are way better scammers out-there if someone is so eager to get scammed  

[supremeyingyang]

@Girzo

You are right.

Obviously Tate is an foolish Guy who somehow had the luck to get never humbled. I guess it comes from him being able to fight like a god compared to a average person on the street. There are people who act cocky, attract problems and end up changing their behaviour. I think Tate is beyond the point of no return, he will let nothing humble him at that point.

However Tate is an interesting case study for the contemporary taste of a lot of people. How bad do you need to have it to pay Tate? Is there really no one who could fill the void for man? His video were entertaining for a short time, like if you watch  Jackass. Both is stupid behavior, you don't copy it. I think Functionals come up from time to time, by that I mean people who serve the Zeitgeist and Channel some wish of the people for embetterment through themself. It does not need to be a good person by all means - look at Tate. Peterson was a Functional back in the day. I copied the Idea of Functionals from a book of Sergej Lukianenko.

Edited February 3, 2023 by supremeyingyang

[Israfil]

If you want to learn about women in a more healthy way, you'd watch Denmo, he does cold approach and teaches in a healthy way how to do it. If you want to follow some alpha guys with brains, go for 1st man, Hamza, and Masculine Theory. Business advice? Alex Hormozi is a fucking beast in it and respects other people. 

You like watching Tate for the teenager's wet dream of hoes & Lambos. Just be open about it, and it won't be as embarrassing. 

[Nilsi]

Im not saying Andrew Tate is a good man or a profound thinker, but the image he has created is pure art - its not my problem that you people are too narrow minded and stuck up to see this.

[something_else]

32 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Im not saying Andrew Tate is a good man or a profound thinker, but the image he has created is pure art - its not my problem that you people are too narrow minded and stuck up to see this.

You could say that the efficiency with which the nazis killed the jews and other minorities was pure art, but no one says that because it was an awful event and you shouldn't give it any positive attention at all.

It's the same with Andrew Tate, if you start trying to appreciate him and see him for anything other than a massive conman it does not reflect well on you

[Nilsi]

5 minutes ago, something_else said:

You could say that the efficiency with which the nazis killed the jews and other minorities was pure art, but no one says that because it was an awful event and you shouldn't give it any positive attention at all.

It's the same with Andrew Tate, if you start trying to appreciate him and see him for anything other than a massive conman it does not reflect well on you

There is a lot of high art in Naziism.

That does not mean I support their philosophy as a whole.

I couldn't care less how this reflects on me. People love to talk a big game about open-mindedness, but as soon as shit gets ugly they act like the sheep they are deep down.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Nilsi

[supremeyingyang]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

There is a lot of high art in Naziism.

That does not mean I support their philosophy as a whole.

Don't you see how statements like this brings you a lot of disdain and rightfully so?

[StarStruck]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@StarStruck @Nilsi

You two are an embarassment to this forum.

[Leo Gura]

@StarStruck Keep acting stupid.

You rat.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Jodistrict]

As for Tate's business skills, a criminal makes profits of 1000 percent, or some other huge number.  They can’t run a business like a grocery store that has to survive on 6% profit margin.  The downside is you either get wacked by a bigger thug or end up in prison like the Tate brothers.  I seriously doubt anyone on this forum would last one day as a criminal.  It is all immature fantasy.   

But the fact that he has followers shows that stage orange has become toxic.  There is no sense of community, people are becoming isolated, and they have an inner anxiety that they are living in a society where it is every monkey for himself.   They are responding to the underlying unspoken beliefs of the culture. This goes way beyond Tate.
 

Edited February 3, 2023 by Jodistrict

[Leo Gura]

@Jodistrict Someone talkin' sense.

[koyadr3]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11706801/Two-women-insisted-worked-Andrew-Tate-brainwashed-Romanian-judges-rule.html

What do you guys think about this? Are these women really brainwashed by Tate, or is it all bullshit and they are not victims?