Al-lad Response Thread

[zikzak]

Thanks for the info @outlandish! Yes it is indeed a special moment in a way - these being quasi-legal as you say :-)

[pluto]

In the End, you will all be Laughing at yourselves

Its all a game you created, Enjoy it while you can or you will regret it later for taking it slightly too serious.

To really live and embrace life to the fullest you must live like the child in the sandpit.

 

 

[Galyna]

5 hours ago, I_Like_Thing said:

I see it differently; Leo is lost in the woods, and he tries every path he comes across to try and find his way out. Most of the paths would probably lead him out, but halfway down he starts to second guess himself, and then backtracks and finds a new path. I keep hoping he'll find one that will take him out--of course when and if that happens, he may lose motivation for his channel and website, but maybe that would be good for him.

First of all,there is no such thing as right or wrong path  .  

His life, let him be the artist of it. I do not necessarily agree with everything he is saying or might be doing, mainly because the focus of my life more inward than outward. People can express themselves of how they want, let it be. Why spend precious life time to focus on someone's life, build your own one. If he may lose motivation then it meant to be....

 

[FirstglimpseOMG]

For fuck sakes.. alright..! - you hold him & pinch his nose & I'll break out that quarter of Golden Teacher & we'll just have ourselves a little 'shift'.. 

[Leo Gura]

@FirstglimpseOMG Just slip a thumbprint of LSD in the ol' morning cereal bowl

[zikzak]

There's a stigma on DRUGS that will continue to prevail for a long time. Much fear and lack of knowledge blended in with a understandable natural respect. And it's so much easier to park the whole area at a good distance from oneself and just have the attitude of "that's bad" - or even more refined "it's not natural". Everything is a part of nature - even the most synthetic substance. Humans are a part of nature and everything we create is a part of nature. Of course we can navigate and specify if things are naturally occurring or synthesized but to say something is "outside of nature" is the same as saying that there's something outside consciousness. Everything is a tool. A pizza is a tool. You can use it wisely or not. AL-LAD is a strong tool. 5meo - a very strong tool. More people probably die from the use of pizza than from AL-LAD and 5meo combined - although having a good time on the way More  people probably get into mental difficulties using AL-LAD/5meo. It's all about navigating. And being open to all possibilities. The minute you think you figured it out existence will fuck you over and say "yea buddy that might be true but THIS is also possible".

Edited March 4, 2017 by zikzak

[alifesurreal]

7 hours ago, blazed said:

Here you go a natural LSD trip

Stare at the centre looking at the letters, if at the end you see the pupils move you seen through the illusions of life, you've seen the matrix.

This is the absolute Truth, this is God, You are Enlightened now.

If you like blurring the lines of reality in your spare time... do it, if simple good old reality is too boring for you. It's all in the brain.

Just make sure you nothing dangerous happens around your surrondings where you can't handle the situation because you're too busy tripping balls...

Sarcasm does not help.

To clear a few things up:

It is not true that psychedelics have no addictive potential. While not physically, they can have a psychologically addictive potential.

re: recreational use - while it doesn't seem possible to do a proper dose of 5-MeO for recreation only, most of the other psychedelics can be used recreationally. And I do believe that even a supposedly spiritual psychedelic journey does have recreational aspects to it. Hell, even meditation does!

That being said, one single psychedelic experience can permanently alter the way your mind and thinking works.

The visual candy you focused on in the gently sarcastic post above is the most benign part about a psychedelic experience.

It's what goes on in your mind during and after - how you integrate this experience in your view of life and reality for the years to come that matters most. Sometimes one single experience is enough for one life.

For some people trauma or near death experience etc can have similar effects. Just those are maybe not as recreational

I have Al-Lad, Eth-Lad and 1P-LSD at home - it's legal in my country. I do intend to use it one day both recreationally as well as for exploration. Might be I get my ass handed to me when I expected recreation or I just experience shallow awe and joy when aiming for inner exploration - we'll see...

Either way, things aren't simple. They aren't just black or white. No need to be radical about either the pro or the con. 

Just make up your own mind and try not to impose upon others what they should believe or not.

 

Edited March 4, 2017 by alifesurreal

[Arman]

They're also fun as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[Psychonaut]

What is going on here? Why are all these dogs yapping? I can't heat the birds chirping in my backyard anymore. 

@blazed Spirituality is here for the people that have realized that the material world is not satisfying. The egoic frameset is transferred into the spiritual world. The hope is to improve the everyday experience. To a certain extent you are right that you can't have an ecstatic experience without a crash. But we are not looking for the ecstatic experience of chemicals rushing through your brain. A kind of orgasmic state or a state of feeling at one with everything. The altered states of consciousness that entheogens provide or other states which can be achieved through manipulation of breath or meditation is not what we are looking for. All these states might be interesting. The problem is that they are not functional. You cannot live from these states. You don't want to life from these states. The main reason being that they are not balanced. The only truly balanced and beautiful state is the enlightened state which is achieved by dropping the egoic way of perceiving. While the egoic mindset is in the process of being let go it can happen that a strong attachment is developed to activities or things that have been perceived as being pleasurable in the past. These activities/experiences might even be the reason for the challenge of the egoic way of thinking. What can happen is that a strong attachment is developed. It can be to anything that will keep the "you" here. The "you" can go running around in circles forever. This is probably the main reason why people that are serious about spirituality renounce pleasurable things/activities like sex, drugs, good food, excitement or anything that is nice and fun. Because when the moment comes when you can become free the more things are there the more difficult it can be to finally let go. This state that some people are in reminds me of a hamster running in a spinning wheel. From the outside it seems ridiculous. But it is necessary. There is nothing you can tell the hamster that will make it stop running in the wheel. The hamster has to run the wheel itself. Try everything and see that nothing works. Eventually it will give up and fall of the wheel and be free of it. Until then you watch and hope it doesn't kill itself.

[Galyna]

13 hours ago, I_Like_Thing said:

I didn't claim there was a right or wrong path And I find it interesting that you mention not focusing on someone's life when I was replying to just one of your rather long posts, where you, indeed, were pontificating on Leo's life and motivations. If your ego is offended by me pointing this out, I assure you that was not my motivation, but that would be a hint you possibly need shadow work related to projection.

No offence taken. I see it differently, my friend. Listening his videos and agree/disagree, follow/not to follow is one thing, but pointing fingers and be judgmental is another.

I am sorry if I represent myself with importance, I did not really mean it, I promise. All I wanted to say that we should let him to do his things and not take everything so serious.  

I will work on my shadow work related to projection, thanks

[jse]

32 minutes ago, blazed said:

This thread right now

To lighten things up, here's some more hamsters going 'round & 'round:

 

[Galyna]

I see your point, I thought it was a bit overboard too, I will be honest, but think about this:

What about kids who watch Trump's behavior, have access to porn with all kind of perversion, who can have access to tobacco and spirit of all kinds, then driving wasted killing innocent people,  and the main thing is mass media, video gaming. Is it not influential for their brain?. Are they not being brainwashed? What about junk food that they sell in the Walmart. Please forgive me, being from Ukraine, I noticed living here in USA how people are being fooled taking simple food. That is very scary, big corporations are sucking money out of your pocket to treat diabetics after they feed you with McDonalds. Please let us just not even go that road. Leo's videos are kindergarten compared to what society does to us and our families. 

[Galyna]

4 minutes ago, I_Like_Thing said:

What you speak of is American "culture", and it is embarrassing to some of us. Thankfully when I travel people assume I am Italian or German. Trump is building a wall to keep people out, but it won't be long until it is used to keep people in. It'll be like Escape From New York, but from coast to coast.

There is nothing there to be embarrassed of  . America is a great country to live, and I really love it . No matter where we live, I think we should not follow the herd. And that is what we are doing here, learning how to be clear in your thoughts and mind, how to be cognizant and conscious of everything that happens around of us.   

[jse]

2 hours ago, I_Like_Thing said:

Trump is building a wall to keep people out, but it won't be long until it is used to keep people in.

There is already one of those - it's called the TSA.

[zikzak]

On 3/4/2017 at 0:14 PM, alifesurreal said:

Sarcasm does not help.

To clear a few things up:

It is not true that psychedelics have no addictive potential. While not physically, they can have a psychologically addictive potential.

re: recreational use - while it doesn't seem possible to do a proper dose of 5-MeO for recreation only, most of the other psychedelics can be used recreationally. And I do believe that even a supposedly spiritual psychedelic journey does have recreational aspects to it. Hell, even meditation does!

That being said, one single psychedelic experience can permanently alter the way your mind and thinking works.

The visual candy you focused on in the gently sarcastic post above is the most benign part about a psychedelic experience.

It's what goes on in your mind during and after - how you integrate this experience in your view of life and reality for the years to come that matters most. Sometimes one single experience is enough for one life.

For some people trauma or near death experience etc can have similar effects. Just those are maybe not as recreational

I have Al-Lad, Eth-Lad and 1P-LSD at home - it's legal in my country. I do intend to use it one day both recreationally as well as for exploration. Might be I get my ass handed to me when I expected recreation or I just experience shallow awe and joy when aiming for inner exploration - we'll see...

Either way, things aren't simple. They aren't just black or white. No need to be radical about either the pro or the con. 

Just make up your own mind and try not to impose upon others what they should believe or not.

 

I think it's great to point out the recreational aspect as well. Right now the stigma is so strong that you kind of have to defend the use of psychedelics as being for serious spiritual work (for those who are willing to see that as a serious project) or treatment oriented. The recreational aspect is important too and can be approached much more intelligently with psychedelics than alcohol for example.

[AlwaysBeNice]

Yeah it depends on what we mean with, many times people are actually escaping to various degrees, heck I think if we are not enlightened that is always going on to some degree.

But in a sense, it's all recreational, working towards your own/God's love is a thing made for fun by God it self. 

[Trond]

@brovakhiin For understanding it, yes. For waking up, no. 

[Trond]

@brovakhiin Ofc. It's all good, but you're on your own as far as waking up goes. No amount of conceptual understanding is gonna make a difference. But as you say, it helps with the motivation to see what it is you want to do. 

[Guest Annetta]

@Principium Nexus That is really neat!  Thank you for sharing! <3 

@brovakhiin Do you have some examples of your previous work?  Love to see people's art!!

Edited March 6, 2017 by Whywolf

[Principium Nexus]

@brovakhiin Thanks a lot! Creativity goes well with these kind of things.