Highly Submissive Romantic Relationships

[Devin]

6 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

This is because you don't see value in companionship and intimacy. 

You think that companionship can only exist when a man derives some benefit. That's a selfish mindset. 

Case 1 - A man who is abundant doesn't care what he is going to get in a relationship. He cares more about how he makes his companion feel and enjoys her happiness and makes her happiness his. 

Case 2 - A man who is not abundant is constantly trying to leverage a relationship with arguments like —"what can I get in return if I'm offering so much?" 

A woman is never a hole and a food vending machine. This is simply not possible at all whatever maybe the dynamic of a relationship. No true man will ever see a woman as a hole and a food Vending machine. This attitude can only come from a man who has never respected a woman for being a woman. He sees her as an object that should fulfill his needs. Seeing a woman as a hole and a food vending machine is the highest patriarchal form of objectification of women and not a sign of a true man 

Case 1 is an Alpha man

 

Case 2 is a non Alpha man

A woman doesn't need to do anything to prove her worth. She is a container. She is a bowl.. A vessel of joy. 

A man is the builder. He is a the penis. He is the seed. 

That's why  the vagina is shaped like a bowl and the penis is shaped like a serpent or a giver, a hose. 

The man finds joy in the companionship of a woman and the woman finds joy in the Alpha nature of a man, in his strength and protection. 

Together they create a perfect relationship of joy and magnetism. A beautiful friendship. 

If you judge a friend, you are no longer a friend 

If you judge a woman, you are no longer her friend. 

Alpha men don't see the value in a woman, they first seek value in themselves and then automatically attract women who see this value as well. 

The reason why you see women as a hole and a food vendor is because you're simply not connected to the feminine. You are unable to cherish the feminine. You are unable to value the feminine or understand the feminine. You don't drown into her pleasure. You don't submit to her. You just look at her superficially. 

A man who is connected to the feminine sees value in her femininity and dives into her blissful state. Is attached to her like a child is to a woman's breasts. 

 

That would be the man being submissive; only looking to do something for the woman. Do you think that's how the Taliban treat their marriage?

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Devin said:

That would be the man being submissive; only looking to do something for the woman. Do you think that's how the Taliban treat their marriage?

I am not interested in what the Taliban does. They are a symbol of oppression. I don't see the comparison valid. Those women are submissive but they are enslaved. That's not healthy submission. 

Healthy submission is natural and intuitive. It comes from trust, Vulnerability and intimacy. 

You have zero knowledge of femininity. You totally lack feminine understanding. 

You think like a man who has never understood a woman and cannot be in her shoes.

Taliban is a bad faith example. It doesn't serve the argument well. It shows femininity being abused and exploited. The woman is not the problem there. The men are. They are not Alpha men. They are men who are extremely insecure and the only way these men feel secure is by abusing and controlling the women. 

A secure alpha man will never treat a woman like that. 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

29 minutes ago, Devin said:

That would be the man being submissive; only looking to do something for the woman.

The man is not submissive at all. The right word is responsible not submissive.. 

He is a provider, protector, dutiful, responsible and seeks his role in providing rather than asking.. 

By your logic even a woman is submissive to her child simply because she is looking to attend to the needs of her child. That's not called submission. That's called responsibility, duty, protection and authority.

Healthy leadership involves taking care and understanding, in maintaining duty and performing a role. A healthy man does that because he is Alpha. A weak man complains about this role and shies away from it. 

[Devin]

12 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I am not interested in what the Taliban does. They are a symbol of oppression. I don't see the comparison valid. Those women are submissive but they are enslaved. That's not healthy submission. 

Healthy submission is natural and intuitive. It comes from trust, Vulnerability and intimacy. 

You have zero knowledge of femininity. You totally lack feminine understanding. 

You think like a man who has never understood a woman and cannot be in her shoes.

Taliban is a bad faith example. It doesn't serve the argument well. It shows femininity being abused and exploited. The woman is not the problem there. The men are. They are not Alpha men. They are men who are extremely insecure and the only way these men feel secure is by abusing and controlling the women. 

A secure alpha man will never treat a woman like that. 

 

Well that's what my damn thread is about, start your own damn thread if you don't like it. I asked in highly submissive relationships LIKE THE TALIBAN, is there friendship. Alpha and all that bullshit has nothing to do with this question AT ALL, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

You're going back on ignore.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Devin

[John Paul]

@Devin I think there’s a misunderstanding here on our definition of submissiveness. I don’t know how to answer your question or if this is just some kinda jab at the other guy… maybe you can rephrase the question 

 

 

[Devin]

5 minutes ago, John Paul said:

@Devin I think there’s a misunderstanding here on our definition of submissiveness. I don’t know how to answer your question or if this is just some kinda jab at the other guy… maybe you can rephrase the question 

 

 

I agree. It's not a jab.

Submissive Relationship per Devin; Guy does not consider what woman wants.

What's your definition?

 

Edited December 22, 2022 by Devin

[Tyler Robinson]

16 minutes ago, Devin said:

Well that's what my damn thread is about, start your own damn thread if you don't like it. I asked in highly submissive relationships LIKE THE TALIBAN, is there friendship. Alpha and all that bullshit has nothing to do with this question AT ALL, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

You're going back on ignore.

That's because you just can't come up with proper arguments. When you are challenged you run away from the challenge and put me on ignore. 

Show what you got. 

 

[Devin]

@John Paul

I don't expect many people to be able to answer my curiosity, that's why I mentioned noselfself, I doubt you carry the view I'm asking about.

[Tyler Robinson]

8 minutes ago, Devin said:

I agree. It's not a jab.

Submissive Relationship per Devin; Guy does not consider what woman wants.

What's your definition?

 

That's not a submissive relationship. That's an abusive relationship. 

Get your definitions right and stop demonizing Masculinity and femininity. 

 

[Devin]

2 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

That's because you just can't come up with proper arguments. When you are challenged you run away from the challenge and put me on ignore. 

Show what you got. 

 

I'm asking a simple question, not debating a god damn thing.

[Tyler Robinson]

3 minutes ago, Devin said:

I'm asking a simple question, not debating a god damn thing.

Your question itself is a debate. You can't make a point and then not expect your viewpoint to be challenged. 

Of course you should be open minded to opposite perspectives too. 

All perspectives exist. Not just yours 

 

[Devin]

2 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Your question itself is a debate. You can't make a point and then not expect your viewpoint to be challenged. 

Of course you should be open minded to opposite perspectives too. 

All perspectives exist. Not just yours 

 

My question is; do you see friendship in that relationship? That is not a debate

Edited December 22, 2022 by Devin

[Tyler Robinson]

@Devin anyways I leave you here. I expect you to contemplate over your question once again and try to connect with the feminine and leave your bias out. 

Look at the feminine as the Divine and not as some utility. 

 

[Devin]

1 minute ago, Tyler Robinson said:

@Devin anyways I leave you here. I expect you to contemplate over your question once again and try to connect with the feminine and leave your bias out. 

Look at the feminine as the Divine and not as some utility. 

 

I won't, I don't care

[Tyler Robinson]

@Devin

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

My question is; do you see friendship in that relationship? That is not a debate

The answer is yes yes yes yes and a resounding yes. A true man will say - Yes. 

 

[NoSelfSelf]

@Devin By that point she knows all about how you operate and whats expected from her,there is no surprises or skelletons in the closets shes either by that point completely qualified to be your wife following your program or long ago you see she isnt(if you dont have program then suddenly you can see ,shes not the one when you end up with a baby or something). But you must be qualified to be the one worth following...

[Devin]

5 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Devin By that point she knows all about how you operate and whats expected from her,there is no surprises or skelletons in the closets shes either by that point completely qualified to be your wife following your program or long ago you see she isnt(if you dont have program then suddenly you can see ,shes not the one when you end up with a baby or something). But you must be qualified to be the one worth following...

So you do think there would be a noticable element of friendship in that marriage?

[NoSelfSelf]

@Devin Get specific i dont know what you mean by friendship...

[Devin]

11 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Devin Get specific i dont know what you mean by friendship...

Enjoying being with her for other than sex and her making food and babies, enjoying a conversation about personal interests, being playful with each other, caring about each others challenges, worries, feelings, and aspirations and discussing them.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Devin

[NoSelfSelf]

@Devin Already answered that when she did her part....you are saying that man is enjoying her for sex etc. no shes enjoying man for sex etc. because hes not throwing dick at her like average guy,she has to earn it(cant go into that in depth because its part of game i dont know yet in details)and when she earns it then she can talk all about her feelings and stuff, until that point the way you move and structure your game is her wanting to sleep with you...so in marriage its the same...

What you are asking is average stuff in what im saying she is earning to have friendship moments with you its not something you wish to have just like that....