No self-referential thoughts = higher functionality; adolescence vs. adulthood

[Proserpina]

Please explain how there is passive aggression or games in this thread.  All I see is advocacy for the mentally ill and for autism and for those who are different than the rest of us.  Please don't just throw claims without support in this 'bro' culture that is this forum.  

[Razard86]

35 minutes ago, Illusory Self said:

What's with all the games here?  

Life is a game, a story, and it can take on infinite versions and perspectives. 

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Self reference thoughts help with therapy especially for autistic patients since they rarely self reflect and seem to have a deficiency when it comes to self reference, self awareness and self reflection. The more they're encouraged to interact in a me me me manner, the better and I know this, by interacting with other autism patients since I suffer autism as well.

So that's not encouraging to say that self referential thinking is not functional since it's very helpful for mentally ill people. 

Rumination is different from this. It means being obsessed with the same thought or event and never getting out of it, it's very repetitive and causes obsession and fatigue and definitely affects functionality. Ruminating is a prominent feature of bipolar disorder and its very debilitating. 

Both are different things. 

One is useful the other is not. 

I'll end it here 

Like @Nilsi, you got hung up on the word "self-referential thinking" from the title. I guess I'm sorry that the title of the thread couldn't capture all of the nuances of the topics discussed 

 

22 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Firstly, I think the label of "self-referential thinking" could be misleading. It's better to talk about neural correlates:

When you're problem-solving, you're primarily using the task-positive network. "Deliberately reflecting on yourself for whatever purpose" sounds like problem-solving to me. On the other hand, when you're not doing any deep problem-solving, most people primarily switch to the task-negative network (i.e. compulsively thinking I/me/my thoughts). Nobody is advocating for eliminating the episodic memory, only for reducing prolonged stays in the task-negative network.

Therapy is a guided problem-solving session. Rumination, while it involves recalling unresolved problems, is not problem-solving, because there is no work being done, no progress being made. As I've established earlier, rumination makes up the majority of self-referential thinking. Therefore, to refer to self-referential thinking as something dysfunctional is not completely unwarranted, but yes, it can be misleading from a more granular perspective.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Danioover9000]

   I'm ruminating, with some rum, reading Rumi poems till I'm drunk in my divine bliss, wonder why this thread is still passive aggressive even today, mumbling to myself 'Why hate myself for my own self referential thoughts I'm having?'.

   Contemplating, all this and that hating, in contempt of tempting wickedness, the temperature of this rose rose up, tempting explaining why templating this is too complicated. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

mumbling to myself 'Why hate myself for my own self referential thoughts I'm having?'.

Haha that kind of strange loopy stuff reminds me of this video:

2:02

 

[Nilsi]

40 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Haha that kind of strange loopy stuff reminds me of this video:

2:02

 

Banger

[Danioover9000]

@Carl-Richard

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Haha that kind of strange loopy stuff reminds me of this video:

2:02

 

   I have those sober though, when I'm on the deep end of rhyming every word to every thought, bar none psychedelics or spiritual techniques.

[Danioover9000]

@Carl-Richard

   It's like conscious streaming, or writing down your judgment labelling of others in a journal, except I freestyle rap them out.

[Carl-Richard]

45 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

There are no limits to human credulity couch-lock really? I wonder why more amber trichomes try actually eating it it becomes a totally different compound and crosses the BBB. He has no idea probably like most of you on here. 

Makes zero sense.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Carl-Richard you have been banned for 2 days and told to do community service in a psych ward in these 2 days. (just joking)

Nonsensical joke, don't mind. 

 

[Loba]