Beginner level : Capitalism, Socialism and Communism

[Tyler Robinson]

I'm at level Beginner in the field of politics. 

Learning. Share your thoughts and concepts as well..

 

[Tyler Robinson]

Asked chat gpt about Socialism. 

Socialism is a political and economic ideology that seeks to create a more equal and just society by promoting the collective ownership and control of the means of production and distribution of goods and services. The ultimate goal of socialism is to eliminate social classes and create a classless society in which all members of the community work together to meet the needs of everyone.

Socialist economies are typically characterized by the public ownership of the means of production, which may take the form of state ownership or worker ownership through cooperatives. In a socialist economy, the government plays a central role in planning and directing economic activity, and wealth is distributed more equally among the population.

There are many different variations of socialism, ranging from democratic socialism, which combines elements of socialism and democracy, to more authoritarian forms of socialism in which the government has greater control over the economy and individual freedoms may be restricted.

 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

Why Socialism fails? 

 

 

 

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[Tyler Robinson]

Why Socialism fails? Why socialism is not effective? What are the problems with Socialism? 

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” This famous line by former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher reminds us that while government handouts may sound good, someone still has to foot the bill.

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Cons of socialism

Lack of incentives. ...

Government failure. ...

Welfare state can cause disincentives. ...

Powerful unions can cause labour market antagonism. ...

Rationing of health care. ...

Difficult to remove subsidies/government benefits.

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Over the past hundred years, there have been more than two dozen attempts to build a socialist society. It has been tried in the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Albania, Poland, Vietnam, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, North Korea, Hungary, China, East Germany, Cuba, Tanzania, Laos, South Yemen, Somalia, the Congo, Ethiopia, Cambodia, Mozambique, Angola, Nicaragua and Venezuela, among others—not counting the very short-lived ones. All of these attempts have ended in varying degrees of failure

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[Tyler Robinson]

 

Socialism gives disproportionate amount of power and authority to the state. 

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Goals of socialism - 

 

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[Tyler Robinson]

What I'm gathering is that there isn't a perfect system as is the case with any of the human philosophical models, everything needs to integrate the good aspects of everything else for a suitable outcome, although a perfect outcome is always a pipe dream. 

This is almost like not knowing anything at all at the beginner level of a gamer and then proceeding to level 100 and doing really well in the game only to reach a stagnation point where you ultimately realize that the game can only go so far in giving you rewards beyond which no amount of expertise in the game can bring you anything special, because you have exhausted the scope of the system, almost all models are drained at some point and human progress only depends on how much dedication goes into integrating the best aspects of every model to achieve the best outcome consistently at that point in time. Every model has a specific growth curve and you have to exploit the model for that growth curve beyond which you have to abandon it or integrate other models for temporary growth. 

[Tyler Robinson]

This looks freakish. I hope this is real and not propaganda. 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

Yea abuse of the centralized power is the hallmark failure of a socialism based economy. 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

Why would anyone work under socialism?

 

Socialists have a different idea of how things should be run. How would we get anything done if nobody has to worry about survival? 

Socialism has its own limitations. 

That's because socialism is not a perfect utopian society where everyone is happy all the time. 

How does capitalism incentivize work? 

Capitalists love keeping their profits. 

A big way capitalists incentivize people to do stuff is by imbuing work with innate value. You might have heard this called "protestant work ethic" before. Capitalist cultures have all assimilated the idea that work is good in and of itself. 

No matter how degrading, punitive or boring, it's morally good to work and morally bad to not work. 

The other significant way in which capitalism 

If you have a bad boss, there's little you can do about it. A better work environment. 

 

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[Gidiot]

Survival is literally the easiest thing in the world, you can eat two bites of an apple every day and survive an awful long time. It’s just that I think at the heart of socialism is the innate human need to THRIVE. Under most capitalistic societies we are only just surviving and we are scared and worried of being homeless because we know no one is going to give a shit about us if we are on the street. If survival needs are met for everyone, of course there will be lazy people who coast by on society but there will be far more people who are now empowered to be the best human they want to be. At least this is my understanding of it. 
 

people act like money is the only reason to work. I work on plenty of crap in my life and literally none of it is because of money, I think that is a flaw in people’s thinking. You don’t do what you love because it pays well you do what you love because it’s what you love. Socialism at its best would empower that. 
 

of course there are plenty of jobs no one will want to do if there isn’t a survival need to do them, but I think of that as a minor problem, I think the bigger problem is meeting everyone’s survival needs first. And you’d be simply lying if you said the resources don’t exist to do exactly that in most countries around the world. It’s more of a human development problem than anything, we don’t need socialism or communism we just need people who give a shit and want to do more with their day than just go to work and come home on autopilot

Edited December 19, 2022 by Gidiot

[axiom]

Good debate: 

 

[Nilsi]

You forgot the most important one.