No More Conserving, Only Serving

[Nilsi]

 

[Oeaohoo]

10 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

 

This reminds me a lot of Leonard Cohen’s funny song Death of a Ladies Man.

Wonderful closing lyrics:

‘So the great affair is over, but whoever would have guessed / It would leave us all so vacant and so deeply unimpressed!

It’s like our visit to the moon or to that other star / I guess you go for nothing if you really want to go that far!’

Exactly how I feel about all the great strides made in the name of “progress”… 

[Nilsi]

 

 

[Devin]

On 12/17/2022 at 0:14 PM, Oeaohoo said:

 

We live in the most materialistic, fear-based and pettily egotistical society known to history. There’s your “development” for you!

Do you socialize much? In my experience interacting with older and younger generations i see the exact opposite trend, yes there are young materialists but the younger generations are really consciously turning away from this. It's the conservatives i see clinging to preserve it.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Devin

[Devin]

I think conservatives and liberals are closer in ideology than the extremists on both ends like to scream.

 

Socialism; conservatives support local small community based charity and volunteerism

 

Environment; conservatives want to reduce air and water pollution and both sides like Fusion energy

 

Criminal justice; Liberals want equal enforcement, yes they want more personal liberty than conservatives, but I think there's real common ground here. If laws were enforced equally without bias many laws would wind up being repealed or adjusted. Conservatives actually oppose many types of laws being enforced they just proclaim to be stern on policing while in reality it's only when it comes to favoring themselves. And obviously everyone wants to end crime.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Devin

[Shane Hanlon]

@Oeaohoo Do you have any suggested resources to get a better idea of what you are talking about? Ideally not too time intensive, so I will actually do the learning.

[Oeaohoo]

37 minutes ago, Shane Hanlon said:

@Oeaohoo Do you have any suggested resources to get a better idea of what you are talking about? Ideally not too time intensive, so I will actually do the learning.

As far as something short, read The Crisis of the Modern World by René Guénon! The follow-up to this book, The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Time, is better but also much more intensive. Maybe I could be more specific if something interested you?

If you want something easier than a book, there is a lot of overlap between my interests and the YouTube guru Shunyamurti.

[Oeaohoo]

10 hours ago, Oeaohoo said:

As far as something short, read The Crisis of the Modern World by René Guénon! The follow-up to this book, The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Time, is better but also much more intensive. Maybe I could be more specific if something interested you?

You should be able to read this book here. I haven’t read it for quite a while but I was just reading the opening again and it made me roll around with laughter. It’s always refreshing how aloof Guénon is from all of the banal mediocrity of our times. This passage particularly:

‘Many no longer doubt the possibility of a world crisis, using the latter word in its most usual acceptation, and this in itself marks a very noticeable change of outlook: by sheer force of circumstance certain illusions are beginning to vanish, and for our part we cannot but rejoice that this is so, for it is at any rate a favourable symptom and a sign that a readjustment of the contemporary mentality is still possible - a glimmer of light, as it were - in the midst of the present chaos. In keeping with this, the belief in an endless “progress,” which was held until recently as a sort of intangible, indisputable dogma, is no longer so general, there are those who perceive, though in a vague and confused manner, that the civilization of the West may not always go on developing in the same direction, but may some day reach a point where it will stop, or even be plunged in its entirety into some cataclysm. It is possible that such persons do not see clearly where the danger lies; the fantastic or puerile fears they sometimes express are proof enough that their minds still harbour many errors, but it is at any rate something that they realize there is a danger, even if it is felt rather than really understood, it is something too that they can conceive that this civilization with which the moderns are so infatuated holds no privileged position in the history of the world, and that it may meet the same fate which has befallen so many others that have already disappeared at more or less distant epochs, and some of which have left traces so slight as to be hardly noticeable, let alone recognizable.’

Yeah! Preach it!