Leo, please elaborate about capitalism and communism

[Sucuk Ekmek]

3 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

 

“Have faith in Evolution. Put your trust in Change. This is all part of Progress’ plan.” 

 

[Oeaohoo]

“Let the traditional and the modern concepts of the universe - or, if one prefers it, of reality - be placed side by side. According to typically modern thought, reality is supposed to have originally consisted of the material world alone. It is said that life must have been 'sparked off", in some as yet unexplained way, from matter, and that living organisms developed psychic faculties, first of all the senses, then sentiment and memory, and then, as man himself gradually evolved, imagination and reason. According to the traditional explanation, on the other hand it is not the higher which proceeds from the lower but the lower from the higher; nor is existence limited to the psychic and the corporeal. The Supreme Origin—and End—of all things is Absolute Truth, which alone has Reality in the full sense, and which manifests or creates, at lesser degrees of reality, the whole of existence. The traditional theory of existence, common to all religions, is summed up in the Islamic holy tradition: 'I was a Hidden Treasure, and I loved to be known, and so I created the world' The psychic and the corporeal, soul and body, are the two lowest levels of reality, and together they constitute what we call 'this world’. Above them is the domain of the Spirit, known as 'the next world' from the standpoint of life on earth, but first in order of creation, for it is no less than the primal 'overflow’ of the Divine Reality Itself. From that immediate reflection of the Hidden Treasure, the psychic domain is a projected image which in its turn projects the bodily domain.”

Hmm… Which one to choose? Tough decision! 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Oeaohoo said:

“Have faith in Evolution. Put your trust in Change. This is all part of Progress’ plan.” It’s almost as if evolutionary progressivism is a surrogate religion…

Yeah, of course. It's identical to saying: Have faith in God. Not a mistake.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

Not true at all.

The two biggest social advances jumps in history was the USSR and China.

The USSR started at the feudal age and in a few decades was competing with the biggest imperialist economy of the world and scaring the shit out of it.

The USSR developed its technology enough to put win basicaly the "space race" with the exception to putting a man on the moon.

China was one of the poorest country in the beggining of the 20th century, raised 700 million out of poverty and now is the second biggest economy of the world, going to be the first very soon.

Are you seriously trying to cast communism as a success?

[Recursoinominado]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Are you seriously trying to cast communism as a success?

Success to whom? The people? For sure. The elites, not at all.

There is a reason why the capistalist devils love to demonize communism.

Aside from capitalist propaganda (most "sources", inclusing books, are based on that), the material proofs are irrefutable. 

We are talking about a system of production that doen'st depend on predatory explorarion of its own people or other countries.

Capitalism is unsustainable.

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

Success to whom? The people? For sure. The elites, not at all.

There is a reason why the capistalist devils love to demonize communism.

Aside from capitalist propaganda (most "sources", inclusing books, are based on that), the material proofs are irrefutable. 

You need to seriously study the history of communism.

What you're saying is just nonsense.

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We are talking about a system of production that doen'st depend on predatory explorarion of its own people or other countries.

You are talking about childish fantasies and science fiction.

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Capitalism is unsustainable.

Way more sustainable than anything you have in mind.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Leo Gura

[DocWatts]

Far from a hot take, but ideological defenders of both systems are deluded.

Both capitalism and communism are built on a rather distorted view of human nature.

Evolution has equipped us with a psychology that's predisposed towards to being group-ish by nature.

We're selfish yes, but for the most part that selfishness takes the form of trying to make sure our group survives and prospers, rather than being individually hyper-rational selfish agents in the way that capitalism imagines.

Human beings evolved to survive and cooperate within small groups of less than 150 people.

Living in large societies with millions of people is not something that evolution gave us a cognitive toolkit for, so it's foolish to imagine that human beings are willing to be selfless for a highly abstracted community of strangers, as Communism imagines.

Edited December 15, 2022 by DocWatts

[How to be wise]

What’s needed is integral capitalism and integral socialism, both.

[Leo Gura]

Capitalism is not a system any human sat down and invented. It's just the natural evolution of trading.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Capitalism is not a system any human sat down and invented. It's just the natural evolution of trading.

Before the rise of Neoliberalism/Reaganism, capitalism in the US was much more regulated in the mid 1900s and it worked even better for all people of all classes throughout the entire country.

So, why hasn't our country gone back to having that kind of economic system after 40+ years of Neoliberalism/Reaganism, which has ultimately caused not just two of the worse recessions since the Great Depression, but also the worse levels of economic equality arguably since the Gilded Age in the late 1800s?

The profoundly disastrous effects of both the Great Depression and the Gilded Age both happened mainly due to unchecked capitalism as well.

So, shouldn't most Americans including most of the elites in the US have already learned by now that unfettered capitalism is a serious liability to the economy?

Edited December 15, 2022 by Hardkill

[Recursoinominado]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You need to seriously study the history of communism.

wWhat you're saying is just nonsense.

The "history" you talk about is full of distortions, exagerations and blatent lies told by capitalist devils.
This "history" is not uncontested, so you should choose more carefully your sources.

By the way, the "Sparroy extinction" you posted on your blog is a lie, a capistalist propaganda.

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are talking about childish fantasies and science fiction.

What are you talking about?

China didn't have to invade half the world in order to prosper like the US and european countries.

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Way more sustainable than anything you have in mind.

It sustains itself on sucking the life out of the 95%, like a parasite, a virus.

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Capitalism is not a system any human sat down and invented. It's just the natural evolution of trading.

And the communist revolutions is a natural evolution due to capistalism blatenly contradictions.

[Recursoinominado]

15 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

it worked even better for all people of all classes throughout the entire country.

All people = white heterosexual males

[Leo Gura]

@Recursoinominado Stop smokin' that hippie socialist crack, son.

You are wrong is so many ways I don't know where to begin untangling this mess.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Vladz0r]

I didn't want to respond to this but since Leo is reading it...

Leo has no understand whatsoever when he brings up progressivism, socialism, and communism.
He says communism has "failed" in spite of socialist states such as China and Vietnam, which has a thriving middle class.

There's a lot of nuance and a ton of falsified history, with things like the "10 million deaths" figure of socialism. There's also so much to unpack on US Imperialism, how the US owns and runs the banks of 100+ countries, how it uses capital to export foreign businesses and steal money from workers overseas, through price manipulation, undercutting, American perception, etc.

 

Cenk and The Young Turks and Woodrow Wilson and FDR are not "communists" or "socialists" or anything even close to that.
Every US president has had the same agenda, which is capitalism.
Capitalism means that private companies own the means of production.
This means that you, the worker, must work increasingly worse wages, year after year, because you don't own the factories, the tools, or the companies that you work at.
Those companies are owned by a minority.

The efficiencies that technology and automation have provided to the world have been stolen from society at large, through capitalism, as these factories continue to reduce REAL costs (material, labor, units of electricity and oil required to produce goods) and because they own everything, they can force workers to pay more and more for products each year, while paying you less.

Under socialism, the Working Class (Proletariat) owns the means of production. In China, the Chinese people implicitly have the right to the automation and improvements that are happening in China.

Communism is not the same as socialism. Communism is a mode of thought, a philosophy, or political movement in which the end goal is the dissolution of the state. Until then, there is a democratic government under socialism, where the working class owns the means of production. This means that the laborers own the rights to the factories, tech companies, banks, etc. they work in.

What this has done for China is provided real wage increases, while most of the western world has seen inflation r@pe their countries, in spite of "economic growth" each year. Suspicious? No, just capitalist.

By design, what you do as a capitalist is you own an asset, like a house, an apartment, a business, or a factory. These assets which cost more than the average worker will ever afford, will continue to pay themselves off many times over, because the whole point of capitalism is that it allows private ownership of the means of production.

This is different from personal ownership. Under communism and socialism, you still own your toothbrush, your car, your cell phone, etc.

People are also not "paid exactly the same" and "de-incentivized to be productive" under socialism.
There are plenty of billionaires in China that are hugely productive.
The difference is that there are checks and balances so that the existence of these billionaires does not make the daily life of the average individual worse.
When you go outside and see homes own by Berkshire Hathaway, hiking up the price of houses and apartments, and leaving a lesser % of houses on the market for purchase, this provides a tangible squeeze on working class Americans.

Without going into too much detail, here's some videos so that you can better understand socialism and the fruits of it.

What you attribute to "capitalism" - improvements, innovation, markets, trade, are not innate to capitalism. Socialism as a mode of governance includes all these features.

When you run a pizza company as a business, and you pay your workers $7.25 an hour to sell $1000+ worth of pizza  a day, and you steal the rest of the profit - this is capitalism. You own what costs too much for the worker, and by having more money and owning it, you can afford to produce this item. It will outscale any form of inflation, because you can just adjust prices. As long as you continue to exploit your workers, and run your company as a business instead of a co-op, it's wage theft, and capitalism.

If you took the same company, and instead, you and your 3 good friends all worked together and split the costs and wages, you'd all probably be getting $30-80/hr before expenses. Socialism is a bit like this but scaled up to include all companies in the entire country, and giving ownership to the people. This means that as new pizza ovens are made, new buildings are created, and as the real price to produce flour and cheese goes down due to agricultural improvements, the average person will pay less in real wages for this food over time.
 

 

The #1 video you could watch is downloadable here  - https://www.mediafire.com/file/f2hkgdwl5q10o5w/American_EXPLAINS_Socialism_with_Chinese_Characteristics_in_30_Min_%28720p_30fps_H264-192kbit_AAC%29.mp4/file

Unfortunately Bayarea451's identity was threatened and he has self-censored himself from YouTube, so I got this from an archive of his videos.

On Chinese Automation and how it improves the lives of workers.

 

Is China Imperialist?

 

Chinese Infrastructure Projects in Africa. While we export war and suffering, China exports Infrastructure.

 

On the fake concentration camps in Xinjiang

Let's not even talk about the REAL slave labor in the United States. Did you know you can invest in Prison Stocks?

Cool channel on Spanish perspectives on China

 

Not everyone from the Global South sucks on the teat of its American tyrants.

 

Debunking Anti-Communist arguments

 

Cuba Elections - how Democracy Works in Cuba.

 

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Vladz0r

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Vladz0r said:

Cenk and The Young Turks and Woodrow Wilson and FDR are not "communists" or "socialists" or anything even close to that.

Of course they aren't. Because they are not stupid.

China is not a socialist state. It is a capitalistic monstrosity with a socialist veneer of bullshit just enough to sustain a happy level of authoritarianism.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Scholar]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Of course they aren't. Because they are not stupid.

Have you tried experimenting with proper probiotics in form of pills? I assume you did.

[Recursoinominado]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop smokin' that hippie socialist crack, son.

You are wrong is so many ways I don't know where to begin untangling this mess.

You seem very triggered and narrow minded, only attacked me and used platitudes + propaganda without any argumentation with sources.

Study more, less arrogance.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

China is not a socialist state. It is a capitalistic monstrosity with a socialist veneer of bullshit just enough to sustain a happy level of authoritarianism.

Pure vomit of mainstream platitudes.

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

used platitudes + propaganda

On the contrary I crafted a unique response.

Who else has told you that you are smokin' socialist crack?

I don't speak in platitudes.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Leo Gura

[axiom]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

China is not a socialist state. It is a capitalistic monstrosity with a socialist veneer of bullshit just enough to sustain a happy level of authoritarianism.

100% correct. 

[axiom]