Masculine and Feminine what is going on? Part 2

[Razard86]

Read this excerpt from Osho about Men and Women. https://www.osho.com/osho-online-library/osho-talks/woman-men-insanity-07d4b208-7b7?p=64909c37dc40631a5d43c0c5fffab1c0

Now notice from one perspective, the feminine desire to express itself in the present moment randomly with no forethought can be seen as insane, ungrounded, and also can be seen as sane and grounded because the feminine is present. The feminine is concerned with the immediate things at hand, it isn't lost in dreams of what might be, or could be. That is sanity, that is being grounded! The Masculine is concerned with future possibilities of problems, and solutions and can get lost in conceptual thought that they can be lost in thought and not be present or grounded. So the Masculine and Feminine are both grounded and ungrounded, insane and sane. Its all a MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE!!!

The sanity of the Feminine. Being present. Being aware of the current circumstances and being able to feel or intuit the happenings around them. The insanity of the Feminine, it has no forethought, it has no agenda, it just expresses based on the feelings of the moment. The sanity of the Masculine. Being present in thought and conceptualization about possible dangers and how the current circumstances could impact the future. The insanity of the Masculine. Lost in thought about new perspectives, new inventions, new possibilities. This thought has no agenda, it brainstorms and expresses based on the trajectory of the previous thought. 

If you look, you will see, the two parts are one and the same, mirroring each other. Its just a battle of logic and emotions, thoughts and intuition. Both are different expressions, being expressed the same way. When logic and emotion merges, when thoughts and intuition merge, then you have balanced the two.

[Kksd74628]

@Razard86

Exactly! Masculine side of you is meant to express your feminine side well. So femininity is the idea you're trying to express like your values, emotions and creativity and masculinity is your calculation making and confidence. Without good foundation in any of those 2 the expression doesn't just work the way it's meant to be. I have seen so much misinformation in the internet that those 2 powers fight with each other and that you can't have both of them at the same time when in reality without the other one you'll just be unbalanced.

[Tyler Robinson]

Boiling down to 

The feminine is about dancing all around the place however she wants 

The Masculine is about watching this dance and protecting her 

 

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Boiling down to 

The feminine is about dancing all around the place however she wants 

The Masculine is about watching this dance and protecting her 

 

This is true...but sometimes they switch places. The Masculine can be dancing around the place trying to build and erect things, and the Feminine watches this dance and protects him. 

[YogiCosmos]

All I know is that the masculine has become too dominant in recent history from a consciousness, religious, and relative perspective.

Consciousness - dry non-duality is emphasized. Love, the core root that stirs alertness to be self-aware and then becoming consciousness, is often avoided. Shakti is just seen as a distraction even tho She gives birth to consciousness.

Religious - God is the Father and aloof.

Relative - Man dominated world

 

[BlessedLion]

I find women to be more conscious loving and aware than men in general. That’s why there’s way more women interested in spirituality than men. 

[Razard86]

On 12/13/2022 at 9:23 PM, BlessedLion said:

I find women to be more conscious loving and aware than men in general. That’s why there’s way more women interested in spirituality than men. 

You see reality however you construct it.

[Breakingthewall]

the true masculine is castrated, since what the true masculine loves most is war, destruction and death. the feminine is realized by giving life, the masculine by killing.

That's demanded by the gods, aka, the genes.

Edited January 2, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[vladorion]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

the true masculine is castrated, since what the true masculine loves most is war, destruction and death. the feminine is realized by giving life, the masculine by killing.

That's demanded by the gods, aka, the genes.

That's shadow masculinity you're describing, not the true masculine.

The only reason someone loves war is because they've been deeply hurt.

[Breakingthewall]

On 2/1/2023 at 11:48 PM, vladorion said:

That's shadow masculinity you're describing, not the true masculine.

The only reason someone loves war is because they've been deeply hurt.

Do you think that all the Sioux and those people were very traumatized? And those of the African tribes? and all the Persians, the Romans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Jivaros of the Amazon, the Vikings, any human group... they all loved war, except the Eskimos. there the thing was so fucked up that there was no place for those games. nothing is so passionate about man as massacre, destruction, risk. man has always sought to fulfill his destiny on the battlefield. Do you think you can force thousands of people to spend hours hacking each other to death? they do it out of passion. look at the history of the 20th century. The game changed when nukes were invented. war is no longer viable. If it were, we'd be at war. 

War is in our genes. many male mammalian species use head butting and such for genetic enhancement. the strongest reproduces. Human is a hive being, headbutts are collective. War has always been something mystical for men. If not, who would do that shit?

[vladorion]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that all the Sioux and those people were very traumatized? And those of the African tribes? and all the Persians, the Romans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Jivaros of the Amazon, the Vikings, any human group... they all loved war, except the Eskimos. there the thing was so fucked up that there was no place for those games. nothing is so passionate about man as massacre, destruction, risk. man has always sought to fulfill his destiny on the battlefield. Do you think you can force thousands of people to spend hours hacking each other to death? they do it out of passion. look at the history of the 20th century. The game changed when nukes were invented. war is no longer viable. If it were, we'd be at war. 

War is in our genes. many male mammalian species use head butting and such for genetic enhancement. the strongest reproduces. Human is a hive being, headbutts are collective. War has always been something mystical for men. If not, who would do that shit?

Yes, humanity as a collective is traumatized and has been for thousands of years. Just look at the history of humanity. And wars simply add to the collective trauma. It's a vicious cycle.

You will not desire a war if you are at peace with yourself.

Outer wars are simply a manifestation of inner conflicts that most people live with.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, vladorion said:

Yes, humanity as a collective is traumatized and has been for thousands of years. Just look at the history of humanity. And wars simply add to the collective trauma. It's a vicious cycle.

You will not desire a war if you are at peace with yourself.

Outer wars are simply a manifestation of inner conflicts that most people live with.

 

 

It's not the humanity, are the men. The women have not that fixation. When you are a child, happy and pure, what attracts you the most is playing war, war computer games, weapons. in any community, even a prehistoric clan, men are warriors. You say if you were at peace with yourself you wouldn't want war, but almost no young man is at peace with himself. it's human nature

[Razard86]

4 hours ago, vladorion said:

Yes, humanity as a collective is traumatized and has been for thousands of years. Just look at the history of humanity. And wars simply add to the collective trauma. It's a vicious cycle.

You will not desire a war if you are at peace with yourself.

Outer wars are simply a manifestation of inner conflicts that most people live with.

 

 

1. You are in conflict right now with breakingthewall. Conflict is always inevitable, its the only way duality can play with itself. 

2. You are creating a distinction between war and peace, if it is one being,,,then how is war not peace? If this being is eternal can it ever be anything but peace and love? If war didn't exist you wouldn't need an immune system. It's inherent. What do you think motion is? The end of one frame of reality being replaced by a new frame. 

So death and rebirth just in animation. Take a bunch of photos of yourself walking and play it, its called motion picture or video/movie.

The words you use to write with, must compete within your mind for implementation. You might even erase a certain word, in favor for a "better sounding one" or more "suitable" one. 

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not the humanity, are the men. The women have not that fixation. When you are a child, happy and pure, what attracts you the most is playing war, war computer games, weapons. in any community, even a prehistoric clan, men are warriors. You say if you were at peace with yourself you wouldn't want war, but almost no young man is at peace with himself. it's human nature

Threaten a woman's child and you will find out quickly how "non-violent" she is. A woman would even fight the father of her child if she thinks he wants to harm her child. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

1. You are in conflict right now with breakingthewall. Conflict is always inevitable, its the only way duality can play with itself. 

2. You are creating a distinction between war and peace, if it is one being,,,then how is war not peace? If this being is eternal can it ever be anything but peace and love? If war didn't exist you wouldn't need an immune system. It's inherent. What do you think motion is? The end of one frame of reality being replaced by a new frame. 

So death and rebirth just in animation. Take a bunch of photos of yourself walking and play it, its called motion picture or video/movie.

The words you use to write with, must compete within your mind for implementation. You might even erase a certain word, in favor for a "better sounding one" or more "suitable" one. 

Threaten a woman's child and you will find out quickly how "non-violent" she is. A woman would even fight the father of her child if she thinks he wants to harm her child. 

Sure, the same any mammal, in case of need fight. but men go one step further. They seek war.

the gene wants to spread and prevent other genes from spreading. any prehistoric clan is at war with any clan that is not their own. young men are warriors by default. when human organizations become more complex, this trend remains intact, only to organize armies, conquer etc. Since man existed until the Second World War, the most noble occupation is war. is an absolute constant in human behavior. 

Without the fabric of civilization forged over thousands of years supporting us, we'd be back to that very quickly. 

an interesting fact: historically there have been men focused on the divine, the priests, monks, etc. these were men of peace. they have usually imposed celibacy on themselves, renouncing their masculinity. there have also been women warriors, Vikings, Dahomey, etc. they have also imposed absolute celibacy on themselves, renouncing their femininity. men, for peace, renounce their masculinity. women renunce their femininity for war. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, the same any mammal, in case of need fight. but men go one step further. They seek war.

the gene wants to spread and prevent other genes from spreading. any prehistoric clan is at war with any clan that is not their own. young men are warriors by default. when human organizations become more complex, this trend remains intact, only to organize armies, conquer etc. Since man existed until the Second World War, the most noble occupation is war. is an absolute constant in human behavior. 

Without the fabric of civilization forged over thousands of years supporting us, we'd be back to that very quickly. 

an interesting fact: historically there have been men focused on the divine, the priests, monks, etc. these were men of peace. they have usually imposed celibacy on themselves, renouncing their masculinity. there have also been women warriors, Vikings, Dahomey, etc. they have also imposed absolute celibacy on themselves, renouncing their femininity. men, for peace, renounce their masculinity. women renunce their femininity for war. 

Good point, but them believing that sex and birth defines what masculinity and femininity is ignorance. You can't renounce the masculine and feminine they symbolically are the two parts reality itself. So this renunciation is a farce.

Additionally the wars are not the foundation of society, peace is. There is no sustainable progress without peace, just like their is no growth without rest. In fact, more progress is made during times of peace than war. War only spurs technological progress, but peace improves social connection. 

The time period of war was pervasive because survival was harsh, now we currently have the technology to feed every mouth on the planet yet still we fight. This is ignorance and greed. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Razard86

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Good point, but them believing that sex and birth defines what masculinity and femininity is ignorance. You can't renounce the masculine and feminine they symbolically are the two parts reality itself. So this renunciation is a farce.

Additionally the wars are not the foundation of society, peace is. There is no sustainable progress without peace, just like their is no growth without rest. In fact, more progress is made during times of peace than war. War only spurs technological progress, but peace improves social connection. 

The time period of war was pervasive because survival was harsh, now we currently have the technology to feed every mouth on the planet yet still we fight. This is ignorance and greed. 

You are right of course, I do not advocate war, i just told that it's natural in humans. but just for being devil's advocate... what is progress? Is a welfare society better? better for what? Is a long life better? is our society better than a clan from 100,000 years ago? Is there more true love between humans? more truth in the people? Better lifes? it is possible that yes, or not. it is very difficult to value it. Human are a mistery. In my opinion there is an evolution to the truth and the love, but sometimes seems the opposite 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Ramu]

I think a duality is going on

[vladorion]

13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not the humanity, are the men. The women have not that fixation. When you are a child, happy and pure, what attracts you the most is playing war, war computer games, weapons. in any community, even a prehistoric clan, men are warriors. You say if you were at peace with yourself you wouldn't want war, but almost no young man is at peace with himself. it's human nature

Playing war and weapons never attracted me as a child. 

The reason men are warriors is because men are physically stronger so naturally men play the role of protectors, hunters, conquerors. All for survival. 

My original point was that what you described is an expression of shadow masculinity, not divine masculinity. In order to be an expression of the divine masculine, you have to be at peace within yourself, integrated your shadow, or else you're acting out your unconscious tendencies.

[vladorion]

11 hours ago, Razard86 said:

1. You are in conflict right now with breakingthewall. Conflict is always inevitable, its the only way duality can play with itself. 

Sure. I don't disagree with this.

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2. You are creating a distinction between war and peace, if it is one being,,,then how is war not peace? If this being is eternal can it ever be anything but peace and love? If war didn't exist you wouldn't need an immune system. It's inherent. What do you think motion is? The end of one frame of reality being replaced by a new frame. 

Relatively speaking, there is a distinction, obviously. I don't see how taking all conversations to "There is no distinction between anything" fruitful. It's essentially a conversation killer. Let's just all be quiet because the highest truth can't even be expressed in language.

Edited January 4, 2023 by vladorion

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, vladorion said:

My original point was that what you described is an expression of shadow masculinity, not divine masculinity. In order to be an expression of the divine masculine, you have to be at peace within yourself, integrated your shadow, or else you're acting out your unconscious tendencies.

Agree. But the reality is that humans in freedom develop a shadow masculinity. Divine masculinity, as you said, need to be educated.