Warning: People Participating In Discords Will Be Banned

[Gesundheit2]

@puporing I've connected personally with several people through this forum. I did it mostly through PM, and nobody policed me for it, probably cuz my aim is just personal connection, not recruiting to create another platform.

[Zeroguy]

@Gesundheit2 Will you accept my friend request?

[Gesundheit2]

@Zeroguy Where?

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, puporing said:

But I guess if you told me straight that even the 3-4 groups aren't allowed (if it ever happened or you learned about it), it's better people are aware that if they eventually found themselves in one they would have to quit the forum.

The distinctions aren't perfect, but it's clear when there is an active and large scale recruiting to a "space", not merely through personal connection, but as a numbers game. There is an emphasis on the "space" part.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[integral]

8 hours ago, puporing said:

But I guess if you told me straight that even the 3-4 groups aren't allowed (if it ever happened or you learned about it), it's better people are aware that if they eventually found themselves in one they would have to quit the forum.

Freedoms are not being restricted, Leo is doing damage control to avoid mass splintering of the forum. If a couple of people want to chat in a discord thats fine, its the recruiting process that was the problem and needs to be dealt with. He was publicly advertising in his signature and DM everyone to join, this was not a "intimate group of friends" situation. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by integral

[puporing]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The distinctions aren't perfect, but it's clear when there is an active and large scale recruiting to a "space", not merely through personal connection, but as a numbers game. There is an emphasis on the "space" part.

Yes I'm just saying those other cases seem they could also be lumped in as you could very well interpret the rule that way if you desired, and people could potentially get banned for having a small group chat. If there are exceptions I feel they should also be stated to protect users. Alternatively if there are no exceptions people should be aware what they're getting into by being on the forum.

Currently based on my interaction with Leo it appears there are no exceptions besides 1 on 1 conversations.

2 hours ago, integral said:

Freedoms are not being restricted

What are you talking about? All rules are a restriction on freedom. That's not the same as saying they all don't make sense and can go too far or be misused.

2 hours ago, integral said:

this was not a "intimate group of friends" situation. 

I was not talking about this particular event/case. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by puporing

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, puporing said:

Yes I'm just saying those other cases seem they could also be lumped in as you could very well interpret the rule that way if you desired, and people could potentially get banned for having a small group chat. If there are exceptions they should probably also be stated to protect users.

I agree. This thread seemed like it was cooked up as a quick response to what was already happening. It could be useful to clarify the nuances. @Leo Gura

[Michael Jackson]

5 hours ago, Zeroguy said:

@Gesundheit2 Will you accept my friend request?

@Zeroguy Okay

[thisintegrated]

On 20/12/2022 at 3:38 PM, Carl-Richard said:

"Wdym?" ?

Did Carl go insane again?

[Applegarden8]

Wait? You have time for all of that?

 

[AndylizedAAY]

On 12/21/2022 at 10:31 AM, puporing said:

@Carl-Richard I have a question, at what point is a "group" considered a "community"? What if you got 3-4 people who met through the forum (independently or from connecting one through another lets say), and they became friendly with each other and just wanted to chat with each other in some fashion as everyone's scattered across the globe. It seems like those would be distinctively different from the kind of communities you are talking about. 

Anyway don't have to answer me necessarily, it's just a thought I keep running into that could happen. It feels more tricky to me in those other cases coz now it feels more like an intrusion on some basic freedom people should have to connect with each other.

But I guess if you told me straight that even the 3-4 groups aren't allowed (if it ever happened or you learned about it), it's better people are aware that if they eventually found themselves in one they would have to quit the forum.

@puporing@Carl-Richard Also, I kind of feel bad for those who will be banned for not seeing this new rule about Discord. YouTube can be toxic depending on how you use it. Likewise, it's the same with the groups that you join on Discord. Are they helping you in some way or are they toxic? Also, how does Leo have this list of names of people who are on Discord when they can just not talk about it? Does Leo himself use Discord and find find people with the same name or profile picture? It makes no sense. I only use it for reminders about work and use it to talk to my friends mostly 1-1 that is just a few group chats, no conspiracy theories (I have 1 group that is just with a couple of my close friends), that's it. 

Here is something relevant to the black and white thinking of social media: There really needs to be a smarter blocking system especially for YouTube. Some videos are designed to explain concepts to me in a somplier way than I otherwise would have gotten but there are also videos that waste your time. Maybe the app or website blocker can ask if this video is actually worth your time if you're using YouTube or any other source that frequently uses videos as entertainment.

 

[AndylizedAAY]

On 12/21/2022 at 7:01 PM, integral said:

Freedoms are not being restricted, Leo is doing damage control to avoid mass splintering of the forum. If a couple of people want to chat in a discord thats fine, its the recruiting process that was the problem and needs to be dealt with. He was publicly advertising in his signature and DM everyone to join, this was not a "intimate group of friends" situation. 

@Carl-Richard Thank you for the clarification. Could the recruitment process still happen outside the forum like usder Leo's YouTube videos with a different name or profile? How would Leo know who to ban on the forum? Also, didn't it already say in the guidelines not to recruit anyone on the forum or to create groups there? If the Discord community is toxic, then shouldn't it be obvious that there will be serious consequences recruiting people through the forum for it being toxic? I haven't seen any of this happen, have I just not been around long enough or is Leo just adding more rules to prevent this from happening? What if someone doesn't see this new rule and gets banned? Is it already added in the guidelines if it's not already obvious? Why is there such an emphasis with Discord being toxic if it's just a medium of communication?

Edited December 26, 2022 by AndylizedAAY
I had more questions to ask.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Carl-Richard what if I don't want a member to follow me,, is there an option to remove their following here? 

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, AndylizedAAY said:

@puporing@Carl-Richard Also, I kind of feel bad for those who will be banned for not seeing this new rule about Discord. YouTube can be toxic depending on how you use it. Likewise, it's the same with the groups that you join on Discord. Are they helping you in some way or are they toxic? Also, how does Leo have this list of names of people who are on Discord when they can just not talk about it? Does Leo himself use Discord and find find people with the same name or profile picture? It makes no sense. I only use it for reminders about work and use it to talk to my friends mostly 1-1 that is just a few group chats, no conspiracy theories (I have 1 group that is just with a couple of my close friends), that's it.

Who said you can't use Discord?

[Juan]

If Leo doesn’t want a discord or whatev thing external to the forum, fine, deal with it even tho is ok to question it. I tend to not spend a lot of time, hours or even days talking about a same issue if I don’t see progress, life is too short imo. 

Also I don’t wanna sound rude here but if you have a truly Life Purpose, how do you even got the extra time to manage a discord? Hell even be on the internet! (Depending your LP ofc). 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Juan

[AndylizedAAY]

13 hours ago, Juan said:

If Leo doesn’t want a discord or whatev thing external to the forum, fine, deal with it even tho is ok to question it. I tend to not spend a lot of time, hours or even days talking about a same issue if I don’t see progress, life is too short imo. 

Also I don’t wanna sound rude here but if you have a truly Life Purpose, how do you even got the extra time to manage a discord? Hell even be on the internet! (Depending your LP ofc). 

@Juan I don't manage a Discord, I barely use it even. Why do you portray the internet going against my life purpose course? What if some things require research for my life purpose course? You are on the internet right now but maybe I'm being too literal with that or that you are being small minded when you say "on the internet".

[Juan]

On 12/28/2022 at 5:18 AM, AndylizedAAY said:

@Juan I don't manage a Discord, I barely use it even. Why do you portray the internet going against my life purpose course? What if some things require research for my life purpose course? You are on the internet right now but maybe I'm being too literal with that or that you are being small minded when you say "on the internet".

@AndylizedAAY Yea sorry for that, I’m not portraying you nor anyone against their LP. Yeah is true you can be working your LP within a discord, I wasn’t thinking very well or meta that day when I post it, that’s why I also wrote at the end “depending your LP” too. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Juan

[Ulax]

@AndylizedAAY Bruddah you can use discords, just not recruits folks from here.

[thisintegrated]

On 30/12/2022 at 5:34 AM, Ulax said:

@AndylizedAAY Bruddah you can use discords, just not recruits folks from here.

I think even having a discord is against the rules now..

[thisintegrated]

5 hours ago, lxlichael said:

@thisintegrated You would be the first person I would ban on this forum and I am not joking. Your role as much as you have participated in it with a conscious, clear thinking mind, has been completely absurd and you've been a bad influence on other people, many of those other people I would ban as well or at the very least ensure follow stricter posting guidelines for their own benefit. The ethics of this place is questionable enough, I don't agree with many decisions Leo makes but that also includes allowing any disturbance to the community structure as well of which you have been. Leave Leo alone, leave this community alone. You're an annoyance because you're not in alignment with your personal integrity and certainly not the integrity of the purpose of this community existing at all. 

What would that accomplish?  Send some kind of a message to others?  Scare people into submission?

I'm bringing new people to Leo's work.  We didn't get to over 60 members in our first month by just inviting forum members, lol.  It's all new people.  I don't think I'm hurting the forum, or am a bad influence.

If you wanna find bad influences.. look at the guys on here claiming to be stage Coral and giving Spiral Dynamics a bad name.  You turn SD into a joke with your behaviour.

Edited January 6, 2023 by thisintegrated