Police Cam Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

It's not uncommon to see a Policemen without a gun

We call that a child here.

[Kksd74628]

@Leo Gura

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This one's just nuts:

 

Could you finally tell me what's the problem in that clip for example. I don't see anything wrong in it from polices perspective. What's this all about?

[Tyler Robinson]

                            

So everyone on this thread thinks that cops can never be wrong. Hmm. Then you don't know shit. 

Reality is very stark from a bunch of videos. 

A lot of cases of excessive use of police are never even documented and bypass the radar. There's a ton of internal corruption in the police department and cases are covered up. 

There are both upsides and downsides to the police. The upside being that the police protect the community, put their lives on the line, protect us from malicious elements, keep things orderly etc. 

The downside is that they are not saints, they are human beings just like us, prone to biases/mistakes /character flaws just like us, and sometimes these mistakes can cost lives. There are thousands of undocumented cases of excessive force, this is no secret. You'll see corrupt cops, biased cops, trigger happy cops, dirty cops, foolish cops. They are all the bad apples. A lot of people who join cops are sociopathic sadistic power hungry people,but it's not the majority, yet they can't be taken for granted, the wheat has to be separated from the chaff. 

The final lesson - don't ever mess with cops, because you never know who you are messing with, a good apple or a bad apple. Follow all rules of your state/federal and keep a lawyer on speed dial and don't do too much drama during an arrest and you'll most likely be spared. 

 

[Kksd74628]

@Tyler Robinson

6 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

The final lesson - don't ever mess with cops, because you never know who you are messing with, a good apple or a bad apple. Follow all rules of your state/federal and keep a lawyer on speed dial and don't do too much drama during an arrest and you'll most likely be spared. 

Exactly! That's what I was trying to express here. It's not polices fault nor failed operation if they're pointed with a gun. When that happens I think polices should immendiately shoot just for their security. If polices let suspects always act weirdly it doesn't take long and some polices are dead. We have to remember that those polices have many cases and propability to die is extremely high so that's the reason they act like they do. Shoot or you get shot. 1 + 1 = 2

10 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

A lot of cases of excessive use of police are never even documented and bypass the radar. There's a ton of internal corruption in the police department and cases are covered up. 

I agree that there are bad apples too. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

Meanwhile 

 

[MuadDib]

• Former Director of Training, Institute for Security Studies; University of Nevada, Las Vegas
• Former Director of Training, National Law Enforcement and Security Institute
• Instructor Credentials in over 25 Force Management Topics
• Plus a long list of other credentials
• His book 'Mind Boss' talks a lot about how being a copper changed his outlook

 

 

[Finax]

This channel is great. Good commentary.

 

[Adam M]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The traffic stop from hell:

 

Holy F*** imagine getting attacked by an asshole with an axe just because of your uniform!

That would drive me insane!

I wouldn't be surprised if that cop is paranoid about every single car that stops beside him for the rest of his life now... poor guy.

Wow.

[Brivido]

10 hours ago, MarkKol said:

It's not uncommon to see a Policemen without a gun here in Europe

In Europe it's highly unlikely that normal people go around with a gun, that's why.

In the States the opposite is the case, an american cop working in Europe would probably feel like he was on holiday. 

[Brivido]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The traffic stop from hell:

The sound that guy makes while lying on the ground is the same noise that newbies make, when first trying 5-meo and resisting ego death 

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

@Leo Gura

Could you finally tell me what's the problem in that clip for example. I don't see anything wrong in it from polices perspective. What's this all about?

I never claimed anything was wrong.

Most of the police actions on this YT channel are fully justified. Which shows that police are doing a good job, on the whole.

Occasionally you see excessive use of force -- it certainly exists -- but it's quite rare and you understand why police must err on the side of caution when dealing with such scumbags. If police were more lax, they'd be dead. So it's hard to blame them for being trigger happy once in a while.

One important thing I learned from watching all these videos is that if someone is charging at you while you have a gun, you gotta shoot him way more times than I thought. I used to think that you could put 1-2 bullets in him and stop him. But now I realize that's not nearly enough. You'd want to shot him at least 10 times.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

My fav policing channel

I like the mixture of law lesson and interaction. Very interesting.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Thought Art

[ChadT]

18 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Do you ever think that maybe sometimes people can be arrested without violence? 

Just to add some context to the videos I linked.  The police pulled the man over after they received a tip that he was a felon in possession of a firearm.  He had a lengthy record, including being a registered sex offender.  Sexual assault on a 12 year old.  The officer on the passenger side saw a gun underneath his ass.  Turns out he had two guns.  He pulled one from inside his sweatshirt and started shooting.   He got what he deserved. 

[aurum]

I familiarized myself with some of the progressive arguments for defunding the police during the George Floyd riots. They basically say the following:

1) Policing is inherently corrupt due to the racial origins of policing (slave catchers)

2) Modern police do face life and death situations, but the majority of their day is actually quite mundane. Serious action is rare

3) The police take up a disproportional part of any cities’ budget. Because policing does not get to the root of issue of crime, you have tons of money being directed away from solutions that would actually reduce crime (like education, social services etc). 

4) Police are given way too many tasks that are outside the scope of what they should be doing and are trained for. And that most of situations do not require someone with a gun. In fact, the threat of violence escalates these situations and make them worse.

 

Although I think some progressives do not appreciate how hard it is being a police officer and why they are necessary, I think there is some truth in their arguments as well.

I would challenge progressives mainly on the implementation of their ideas. You cannot just demand to cut the police budget 50% overnight and expect good results.

If you want to really defund the police, progressives need to:

a) Have a detailed, solid plan of where this money will go and how it will be better than police

b) TEST their ideas on a small scale. Get success cases. What unexpected problems have arisen? Troubleshoot and debug.

c) Integrate with the rest of the criminal justice system and gradually scale up your solutions

In other words, baby steps.

The problem for progressives is that even if they are correct, the reality is that people are not going to easily give up police. A progressive might be okay with that, but for the average person, it’s asking way too much. But progressives also often dislike baby steps and like radical change so here we are lol.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

1) Policing is inherently corrupt due to the racial origins of policing (slave catchers)

This is so stupid. As if police did not exist for 1000s of years before slavery.

Slave-catching is not the origin of police. Every major city-state had police because there were violent criminals in every city that needed stopping. At the very least police are need to protect banks and wealthy shops & houses from robbery. If there was no police every bank and shop would be robbed. It has nothing to do with slavery.

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2) Modern police do face life and death situations, but the majority of their day is actually quite mundane. Serious action is rare

Yeah, but the point is that you never know which mundane traffic stop could turn into an axe-wielding maniac.

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3) The police take up a disproportional part of any cities’ budget. Because policing does not get to the root of issue of crime, you have tons of money being directed away from solutions that would actually reduce crime (like education, social services etc).

"Should reduce crime" is a very distant and idealistic notion. When a kid with a gun is shooting up a Walmart, you don't have the luxury of talking about shoulds. The police are the last line of defense for all the failures in the social system. Our social systems are too imperfect so you will have lots of failure and they will come in unpredictable places.

Improving education and social services requires decades. In the meantime you gotta protect innocent civilians.

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4) Police are given way too many tasks that are outside the scope of what they should be doing and are trained for. And that most of situations do not require someone with a gun. In fact, the threat of violence escalates these situations and make them worse.

The reality is that if you send in social workers into many of these situations they will just be bullied and murdered.

You cannot tell from the outset which situation will turn violent or not.

Here's great example:

In this video the police do a routine check-up on a guy who has mental illness and claims to be hearing voices. His mother asked the police to escort him to a hospital. The police were super nice and careful. But in the end he stabbed the cop in the neck with a hidden knife. The only reason the officer didn't die was because by fluke luck the doctor said the knife missed every major artery in his neck. If this was a social worker, he'd be stabbed to death in the face.

This is a great example of how progressive idealism/utopianism just falls flat on its face. Progressives underestimate how vicious criminals can be. Police carry guns for good reason, not because they are trigger happy authoritarians.

Here is another great example that illustrates why progressives are wrong about sending in social workers. In this case the girlfriend of a suicidal boyfriend went to a gas station to call the police on him. She told them that he needs a social worker to come help  him. She specifically told them not to bring guns or the police. As she was making this call, the boyfriend drives up and shoots a female officer who was trying to help the girlfriend. Just imagine what this boyfriend would have done to an unarmed social worker.

Progressives are so empathetic with criminals they do not understand how deranged and vile these people can be. Empathy and diplomacy will not save you from a drugged up psychopath. He will stab and rape you.

Edited December 9, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Jake Chambers]

Although I agree with all of Leo’s points, I think he doesn’t stress enough that many policemen are also individuals who love power and violence. Although that may be imprinted on them by the People they face which are indeed vicious criminals; it still is the case. Power syndicates like the police simply corrupt themselves by the nature of their environment. Most policemen are not evil, but we shouldn’t act like they are saints either. It’s simply a dirty, dangerous and under-appreciated job. That tends to make you a bit of scumbag. But of course there are a lot of honorary policemen too. 
 

@Leo Gura You should watch Tropa De Elite, It’s an amazing film about the police which masterfully tackles all of the issues you talk about here. It showcases the hard extremely hard reality the police live in while also showing its corruption at the same time. One of my favorite films ever, everyone should watch it.

[Leo Gura]

I know every well how corrupt the police can be. You don't understand police corruption until you've been to Russia. American police are saints relative to Russian police who will rape your girlfriend and kill your dog just for fun.

Yes, dealing with monsters tends to make you a monster. This is well-known from classic psychology experiments on prison guards. They start to abuse their power. Which is why they require oversight.

American police are pretty amazing when you consider them relative to other places on Earth. Things could be a lot worse. Corruption in America is very low relative to most places on Earth.

Edited December 9, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Tyler Robinson]

Leo has lived in the Siberian Gulaag for so long that he can never comprehend what it feels like to live high in the mountains. 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Tahuti Does not contradict anything I said.

Edited December 9, 2022 by Leo Gura

[ZenSwift]

Man that was a Crazy binge session.